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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:20 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Ah yes, but I still think it would be great to be able to only bypass reverb, just because the other insert effects in Zebra are often so useful to the patch.

cheers

We've just implemented "parameter locking". From next revsion on you can simply lock the reverb's Dry/Wet settings and go from there

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:48 pm

Urs wrote:
hakey wrote:a pretty basic sound engine?
The sound engine is far from basic in terms of DSP.

Yeah, that was a bit mean of me - should have written simple architecture, which is closer to what I meant.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:58 pm

3*s wrote:Also I think assuming superficialities and simplification are a requirement of a synth that is good for edm is a bit cynical.

Cynical or no, there must be reasons why Sylenth became popular amongst that crowd. My guess, the factory patches were the biggest single factor.

Echoes in the Attic · Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:10 pm

Urs wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Ah yes, but I still think it would be great to be able to only bypass reverb, just because the other insert effects in Zebra are often so useful to the patch.

cheers
We've just implemented "parameter locking". From next revsion on you can simply lock the reverb's Dry/Wet settings and go from there

Awesome! Sounds like an excellent feature.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:20 am

Urs wrote:Most of all, the parameter ranges are cleverly thought out. It's a concept that has an admirably "complete" approach.

I think one of the things that has gone unmentioned over the years but that has actually been beneficial in its popularity is that Sylenth is very well controlled with volume. I only have the demo... never purchased it... but playing around with the demo it is hard to get it to go too loud and distort. Move all sorts of controls and the volume mainly stays in an acceptable range. I think this has contributed significantly to the sense people have that it is easy to program.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:52 am

pdxindy wrote:Sylenth is very well controlled with volume [...] it is hard to get it to go too loud and distort

There's some limiting going on, no?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:01 am

hakey wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Sylenth is very well controlled with volume [...] it is hard to get it to go too loud and distort
There's some limiting going on, no?

Hmm, not sure. I think the supersaw volumes are well chosen and the filter resonance is normalised (or just not gain compensated for negative feedback).

Next time I find the time I'll check it out under that aspect.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:20 am

Bronto Scorpio wrote:Another small, but very important thing about the possible "EDM" synth: The filters should open completely! Most of Zebras filters cut away a significant amount of high frequencies even at the highest setting. The Xcite filter is currently the best choice to keep those high freqs. For many EDM sounds the top octaves are very important imo.

Cheers
Dennis

Well... the cutoff frequency in a 24dB filter is the point where the signal is attenuated 12dB, so a quarter as loud as the unfiltered signal. It would have to open to about 40kHz in order to not attenuate 10+kHz audibly. This is when no resonance is applied.

When resonance is applied the attenuation at the cutoff frequency turns from less into none and into a boost with more and more feedback.

Now, if a filter would fully open, there's an easy chance that resonance will create aliasing, because frequencies beyond the limits of usual samplerates get pronounced - easily to the point that downsampling filters can't suppress well enough. Hence many developers including us refrain from that idea.

An easy way to open a filter fully from the user's side is to apply a little resonance, just below the point of a frequency boost. That should work for any filter that goes up to about 20kHz. Or, a developer could "fake" fully open by adding a little resonance automatically.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:34 am

Massive arguably has a claim to being the definitive EDM plugin. A different paradigm, but some of the modern EDM tropes - all that orrible crunchy Skrillex stuff, for example - would be difficult or impossible with a Sylenth-like synth.

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:27 am

Turns out someone just nailed the next killer app for EDM.

abique · Post by **abique** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:29 am

xh3rv wrote:Turns out someone just nailed the next killer app for EDM.

I need it!

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:03 am

xh3rv wrote:Turns out someone just nailed the next killer app for EDM.

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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:20 am

hakey wrote:Massive arguably has a claim to being the definitive EDM plugin. A different paradigm, but some of the modern EDM tropes - all that orrible crunchy Skrillex stuff, for example - would be difficult or impossible with a Sylenth-like synth.

Hmmm, when I listen to that stuff I don't hear many synths. It's more like people trying to use drum samples to immitate the sound of a vintage 56k modem negotiating a connection

core · Post by **core** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:27 am

You might just as well use printer sounds

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:37 am

hakey wrote:Massive arguably has a claim to being the definitive EDM plugin. A different paradigm, but some of the modern EDM tropes - all that orrible crunchy Skrillex stuff, for example - would be difficult or impossible with a Sylenth-like synth.

Iirc he said (in an interview, somewhere) that most of his sounds that people think were made with Massive, were actually made with FM8 or (Live's) Operator.

Guess he hasn't discovered Bazille yet.

u-he

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