Satin goes V1.1

[Breeze]

But at the moment, I can't talk this any further, as we're completely overworked and the last days were unusually exhausting for us, and we need a short break concerning concepts and future plans. So, if we're not always all ears in these hours, it's perhaps our physics. *going to bed now*

Thanks for answering this, Sascha. As I posted the translation, I was thinking "Crap, they really don't need to hear this right now..." knowing how burnt you guys must be. You deserve what the French call "le repos du guerrier", which translates as "the rest of the warrior". We shouldn't be hearing from you for at least 24-48 hours...

[K-Slash]

When can we expect an added (an much needed) feature like note values display for the delay mode while being synched, with double, and triplet ?

[Basspartout]

First day working with SATIN on Studio One 2.6 - Win7 64bit. Cant imagine life without it anymore This sound is addictive!
Really guys, that's a killer plug in you did there. Used several instances on almost all sub busses (drums, acoustic guitars, brass...)
Never had a plugIn that glues things together so pleasently, yet even though I'm probably overusing 'The Sweet Spot' Preset atm, haha, the mix doesnt get muddy and the clarity is still there....
Congratulations!!

[sws2h]

I have a quick question. I'm transferring some 24 track masters that are Dolby A. Will Satin decode them? If so, is Satin calibrate just like the hardware units, with Dolby tone from the tape?

If so, is there an AAX Beta if I were to buy?

[djsubject]

even though I'm probably overusing 'The Sweet Spot' Preset atm, haha,

i knew that name would work!

[xh3rv]

Congrats on the release!

I'm impressed but not surprised Satin sounds top-notch. Exquisite surfacing and finishing rather than rough sculpting, fluid and translucent rather than boxy or opaque. I am surprised it's much more versatile than I expected. Satin tends towards subtle but not narrow purpose. Every component is active, lively ... feels like the sweet spot itself is changing rather than getting dialed into. So far Satin really just snaps into place on whatever I've thrown at it.

Also impressed at how well the UI plays out ... I like pretty, gosh it's pretty, but also the attention to detail like modulation meters on the delay taps or the spectral plot in the service panel. I do wonder if the Input/Output + Meters, as well as the grouping/locking stuff, might be worth the instant clarity of Howard's YouTube stuff? These are really efficient, but maybe that comes with a few points of nuance for finer usage, and it overlaps a bit with quick-start stuff.

Finally, 'head bump' is an awesome parameter name.

[micsue]

[quote="macmurphy"][quote="micsue"] alot .[/quote]

[b]a lot[/b] /spelling police

but it doesn't sound like magnetic 2. not a bit.[/quote] So you must have magnetic 2 and ran it side by side with satin if not back off. I said it sounds a lot like magnetic 2 if you know how to work magnetic 2,not to say magnetic 2 is the best, its not, mybe Satin is?If you think about the people that are behind Satin it could become the best."It just works" THINK ABOUT IT.P.S. Spelling my very beer after beer.

[Dip200]

Our VU/RMS meter has been made adjustable to support engineers that work like 'I'm shooting for -11dB RMS' on this track, so that the needle can move around the 0 VU mark.

I'm one of them. And I don't want to shoot the VU Meter, I want to shoot the tape machine, hence my request. Or to be more precise: The VU Meter should represent how hard I hit the tape machine. If my calibrated VU Meter shows that I'm hitting it at around 0, the tape machine should be hit exactly like that.

Thank you for your reply tho, really appreciated!

@ kmonkey

There is no confusion.

[Urs]

I have a quick question. I'm transferring some 24 track masters that are Dolby A. Will Satin decode them? If so, is Satin calibrate just like the hardware units, with Dolby tone from the tape?

Yes!

If so, is there an AAX Beta if I were to buy?

No, not yet, and there's also no estimate as to when this will come to Mac and PC.

[Compyfox]

Sorry, was too tired last night to follow along.

O-kay I see what you did there with the presets. But...

We went through the presets and adjusted output volumes to some consistent value among all of them - that's an often called for feature. We also had to remove preset names that hint at trademarks

True, all reference levels were set to a coherent value across all presets. That's a good candidate for a user default - something we've got on our todo list.

I hope this isn't seen as intrusive, it was a call on very short notice when we added the contributions that have come in since some time last week.

I do understand the trademark thing on initial preset overview. Actually, you also changed the name tagging of the presets from beta to full version completely (no underscores, reduced filename length). I can now work with this. And the info field actually tells what is going on.

Still, the "reverence levels" were at -18dBFS, since I always use that. Why not implement a feature that turns off certain value chances on preset switching. ArtsAcoustic for example implemented something like this in their Reverb, that ultimately disables the mix knob changed and the input/output values for easier A/B.

Still, a preset that I provided is missing and I did not expect a name change like that. And you probably used an english OS, hence the omission of the ö-umlaut.



I also do have an issue with the coherent values across all presets.
We're not talking about a synth, we're talking about an FX plugin.

I took the time to carefully measure and adjust the RE-201 and Copycat presets - especially in the noise floor section (remember, I did that like 4 times) at Input/Output at unity (0dB). For example, the RE-201 has a noise floor of -64dB (RMS) on default, the Copycat on -59dB RMS. Yet, the RE-201 presets were adjusted by 8dB and 6dB, the Copycat ones not - so the RE-201 is ultimately louder and has more prominent noise as well.

Most other presets weren't adjusted - since they all use "mixed" values and not "full wet" like my presets.

Why? I don't get this. Did you sit down and used this plugin as insert and then be like "Let's turn it up and bring this more close to 0dB on the analysis"? These presets are send ready - so they are bound to be more quiet right from the start - especially if the tape is adding ton of highcut.

Now imagine a tape machine that has a measured noise floor of -40dB RMS (yes, those machines exist!) or a crosstalk of about -45dB (my Grundig TK747 in Stereo Mode would have that - at least if I can trust the spec sheet). Do you still adjust that?

Actually, I also do not remember the Studio presets being so drastically changed in terms of input gain (so there MUST BE a reference level - but which?!). This confuses the living hell out of me, as I usually start at unity gain and then compensate to my needs. You mostly also setup your tape machines to unity - calibration was essential back in the days.

But if the presets are already setup beyond unity gain, or ignore them - why even offer an input/output gain if everything that comes in front of Satin, needs to be manually gainstaged anyway?





Else, I'm backing up all people in here that want the saturation locked to the reference level. Or at least write in the manual where the reference levels reside with the headroom. Else, a meter calibration would be totally useless.



More later today. Just crawled out of bed - literally. And I have to get going in about 45minutes.

[#rob]

Still, the "reverence levels" were at -18dBFS, since I always use that. Why not implement a feature that turns off certain value chances on preset switching.

Right-click --> "Lock".
Is that what you're looking for?

[Compyfox]

Only if the preset load wouldn't cause any issues.
But I actually coded that into my presets (reference level, settings at unity, etc). So I really(!) don't get the changes.

And engaging the "lock" features right from the start while loading the plugin... don't know. It's still not linked to the saturation or anything.


I'm an AE at heart, not a synth wizard. So I'm picky about this stuff - sorry.

[Urs]

Only if the preset load wouldn't cause any issues.

That's fixed...?

Right-click and lock is in there not just to prevent parameters from being overwritten by grouping but also by loading presets.

And of cousre, no-one stops you from using your original presets

[Howard]

Sincere apologies, Compyfox!

I'm too used to fixing level inconsistencies in synth presets (I'm not a tape effect expert), and in the hectic yesterday, I "fixed" yours (Verschlimmbesserung?). Got a deserved slap on the wrist this morning for doing that! Anyway, Sascha suggests that we revert your presets to the originals (including the missing one) with the next update:

Sascha Eversmeier wrote:
"Ich würde vorschlagen, wir packen seine Originalen ins nächste Update,..."

And then (to avoid such problems in future)
"...aber vorher würden wir gerne eine Art Waschzettel kommunizieren, z.B. Dateinamen (Initials, descriptive name - nicht zu lang, am besten mit Angabe zum RMS level), Information, ob Insert oder AUX, für welche Einganssignale gedacht etc.."

cheers!
Howard

[fese]

I'm sorry, but the demo version is really unusable, in a multitrack setup there's practically always noise somewhere, not even one or two minutes of silence to do some a/b comparisons. Really annoying and offputting.