Waldorf Pulse 2

[EvilDragon]

Does it have a randomize patch like original Pulse had (patch 99, IIRC)?

[Ingonator]

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[olikana]

Last but not least many people still seem to underrate the use of a multimode filter. I found that using a real analog resonant bandpass or highpass filter could be quite interesting, especially for lead sounds or the paraphonic modes.
After doing a little research i found that using a BPF or HPF for momophonic sounds does not seem to be very common for real analog synths synths and actual examples seem to be quite rare.

minibrute, bassstation2, darkenergy2, mfb zwergs,dominion x ,boomstar sem etc etc
looking at recent releases there's loads of multimode filter chips going around.
the only thing the pulse 2 has that sets it apart from most monophonic analogs being released these days is the paraphonic mode (very sweet to have!).
i don't know what your "research" is based on but there's nothing uncommon about using an hpf or a bandpass with monophonic sounds.
hpf for noise hats, bandpass for vox .....just mentioning basic textbook stuff.
how do u even know people are not using BPs and HPs on minibrutes...did u ask minbrute owners on the arturia forums? very bizarre thing to say.

[Kriminal]

With the Sub Phatty besides using an editor software it is hardly possible or impossible to get the values of a certain parameter for a saved patch.

I haven't found this to be terribly limiting. Like the Moog Prodigy (which has an almost identical interface), the Sub Phatty is easy and fast to program. They're also not super versatile, thus it's hard to get lost on them.

tbh, I'm surprised Kriminal is so into the Sub Phatty, given that it can't do the crazy sounds he likes. To me, the Sub Phatty is more about legit Minimoog sounds than it is about versatility.

for the live work i was doing it was perfect. (do i do crazy sounds? )

Im not hating on the Pulse, i just think it looks ugly and thus doesnt grab me to want to even try it, even if it has more features etc than the Sub Phatty.

I am even considering the Arturia one (no preset storage? but not for live work)...i really dont think i will touch the new Bass Station, i got burned on V1, that was one POS...

Im planing a visit to the local shop soon to test some stuff they are getting in (inlcudong MS20 minin, but im not really interested in that)

hopefully my comments have come across as my own views on the synth(s) and not a personal vendetta

[olikana]

your points are fair but you forget the price factor.
if the pulse 2 had the hardware form of the subphatty (all those delicious knowbs to twiddle into) it would probably cost twice what it costs now.

[Kriminal]

your points are fair but you forget the price factor.
if the pulse 2 had the hardware form of the subphatty (all those delicious knowbs to twiddle into) it would probably cost twice what it costs now.

Sure, but you still need an editor to get into everything in the SP. Its about compromise. I would settle for 'less' with 'more' if that makes sense. The blofeld kybd version could fit 50 knobs on, but they dont. I know it puts cost up alot, but im sure ppl would pay for the user friendly interface...?

Maybe its just me...

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[Ingonator]

The blofeld kybd version could fit 50 knobs on, but they dont. I know it puts cost up alot, but im sure ppl would pay for the user friendly interface...?

As we are talking about the Pulse 2 here the interface is already user friendly and while it has less features than the Blofeld it has more knobs (6 instead of 4) and buttons (6 instead of 4) in the editing matrix. No "menu diving" for certain parameters like it is necessary in the Blofeld sometimes.

Based on the tons of features of the Blofeld a fully knobbed Blofeld synth would maybe include more controls than a Q keyboard which would be very expensive.


Ingo

[Uncle E]

Based on the tons of features of the Blofeld a fully knobbed Blofeld synth would maybe include more controls than a Q keyboard which would be very expensive.

Look at the Prophet 12, there's certainly a market for top tier keyboards. A Blofeld with a knob-per-function interface and analog filters (either polyphonic or selectable between polyphonic and paraphonic for more voices) would sell despite the price increase.

[faun2500]

But thats means I wouldn't ever get one!


No, This price can be paid off over a year. £2000 - £3000 would cost me divorce!! lol

[Ingonator]

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Look at the Prophet 12, there's certainly a market for top tier keyboards. A Blofeld with a knob-per-function interface and analog filters (either polyphonic or selectable between polyphonic and paraphonic for more voices) would sell despite the price increase.

That would be the Sromberg:

http://www.amazona.de/preview-waldorf-s ... arenbourg/

http://www.sequencer.de/syns/waldorf/Stromberg.html

Second picture is a prototype of the case without audio electronics inside, same as this one:


Not sure if the Stromberg will ever really happen...



Ingo

[EvilDragon]

Probably won't...

[Ingonator]

Besides that interface discussion i still think that the Blofeld and the Pulse 2 are a great combination. Price for the Blofeld keyboard and Pulse 2 is around 1198 Euros here in Germany which is less than some single synths from other companies.


Ingo

[himalaya]

I was mostly referring to vintage synths and indeed more and more "modern analogs" also seem to include multimode filters but this does not make it a common feature with analog synths (e.g. there is no Moog synth with a dedicated multimode filter except the modular systems).
Examples i found in vintage synths (besides modular systems) include e.g. Oberheim SEM (+ clones like e.g. the new SEM or Telemark), Roland SH-5 and the Yamaha CS monosynths (e.g. CS-5, CS-10, CS-15 etc.).

Others like e.g. the Steiner-Parker synths did not to seem very common synths.

Ingo

You can add these to your list:

Roland Jupiter 6
Crumar Spirit
Elka Synthex,
Oberheim matrix 12
Korg 700/770/DV800
Korg MS20


there might be a few more...

[Ingonator]

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