Loving Satin!...but

[dalor]

And people used to die from smallpox, but then we invented vaccines. Are peoples' lives diminished now that they have the option of not dying from smallpox?

I'll take the best of the old with the best of the new. This hiss is entirely orthogonal to the desired behaviour of this plugin

You will notice that not ONCE did I say it should be taken away from those who want it

Apologetics aimed at forcing me to desire it are another matter

Hmm you're right, both vaccination and not having a "hiss off" button can kill! You die either from a virus entering your body, or from too high blood pressure. Either way, we're dead. URS please include a 10 second splash screen every time the plugin opens up to warn for health issues using your products. Consult with your doctor if its safe for you to use Satin.

[hibidy]

I'm suffering from hissidiss.

I'ma get this thing to hiss today yet!

[wald]

This hiss is entirely orthogonal to the desired behaviour of this plugin

No it isn't. Your kinky preferences are your problem, not U-He's.

[Bronto Scorpio]

I don't think the hiss would ever become a problem for me to be honest. I can understand the desire for an option to turn it off though.

Anyway, here is some cool music with more hiss and tape "artifacts" than actual musical content (And it still sounds great):
Cheers
Dennis

[johnnypig]

I don't really understand how this thread got so unraveled. Pipelineaudio and I were only talking about the hiss in chat the other day and now it's a Dickens novel about the merits of vaccines.

Urs, please don't be offended about adding a hiss switch. Everyone acknowledges your artistic vision and no one is trying to invalidate your work.

Thanks, -robo

[wald]

I don't think the hiss would ever become a problem for me to be honest. I can understand the desire for an option to turn it off though.

Anyway, here is some cool music with more hiss and tape "artifacts" than actual musical content (And it still sounds great)
Cheers
Dennis

more hiss - maybe we should start a petition to increase it?

[Frantz]

more hiss - maybe we should start a petition to increase it?

Relax! Don't get hissterical.

[johnnypig]

My cat Hisyphus just yawned.

[hibidy]

Hiss it, I've gone back to cassettes where hiss doesn't matter!

[dalor]

Our kindergarten teacher Mrs. Hiss always use to say.. Shhhhhhhhhh kids!

[pdxindy]

Fair enough. Maybe I should have left off the "very large." My impression, which may be incorrect, is that this is a plug that is meant to be used on busses, and perhaps a bit here and there for tracking too, like on particular instruments or voice, or for flanging. So 16 tracks is still a lot. But point well-taken.

In my case, it wasn't a case of looking for trouble. I made a preset with the hiss control all the way down (blissfully unaware of any hiss when it was on the first track) and started adding it to other tracks, adjusting the mix control of the compander as necessary.

Pretty soon, there was a very noticeable hiss that was bothering the artist and we tracked it down to satin. I'm not trying to have an academic complaint, this is a problem in real world use.

Where was asperity set? I've asked you a few times but you have not answered. Asperity has a big impact on how loud the hiss is.

[Gonga]

Doesn't asperity result in more of a low-frequency rumbling sound?

[pdxindy]

Actually, the concept of a multi track tape machine (4 track, 8 track, 16 track, 24 track) is to use the tape machine plugins on individual channels rather than groups or the summing bus. (this part is directed at Gonga btw, but also to others that read along).

And in this case, a noise build up is bound(!) to happen. And totally normal behavior.

pipelineaudio had Satin on 16 tracks and a compressor following each instance of Satin. It is the compressor that elevated the volume of the hiss from Satin on each track.

In that use case, it would be helpful to have the ability to have a lower initial noise floor.

[Urs]

As for the question about a solo NR - click "Bypass Tape" and there's no hiss at all. Just EQ and compander. Which still at the price of Satin is a steal, compared to what the vintage hardware goes for on eBay.

The vintage hardware sits in a corner of my studio, unused. If I wanted what it did, I'd be using it. The plugin is much more convenient and far more cost effective from a cost per chargeable hour standpoint.

Is your point that you'd like me to pay you to make a version of the plug where you don't *ADD* the hiss? I think I'd be happy to, name your price and lets see what we can do

Hmmm. No, that isn't my point. My point is that Satin can already do what you bought it for. You only want the compander without the tape - there it is. I'm sorry if the rest of the plugin is none of your interest.

My other point is that we arrived at the conclusion that we might have to do a bit more hifi (no hiss) and a bit more lofi (more of such) a few days ago. So there's no need to let us know anymore and it also won't cost extra when we get to do it.

[Compyfox]

pipelineaudio had Satin on 16 tracks and a compressor following each instance of Satin. It is the compressor that elevated the volume of the hiss from Satin on each track.

In that use case, it would be helpful to have the ability to have a lower initial noise floor.

Of course the compressor is boosting the noise, especially if there is no signal present and the output is cranked like no tomorrow. But to my understanding, pipelineaudio also worked with that back in the days. Now we have modern days and that's not acceptable anymore.

Still we talk about individual treated channels. So where is the problem, especially if the 16 Satin instances are linked, to pull down the noise floor to < -81dB RMS. Then run the signal through Satin, and then compress it yet again with a dedicated compressor.

Oh wait... "sound design".
Then as mentioned over and over - use something else!



Seeing as both Urs and Sascha confirmed that certian FR's will be ported, I as user will even get more out of SATIN as U-HE (as company) initially planned. And I also bought SATIN because of the Dolby modes as well (which can be used with the tape bypassed!), and the tape delay.

But mainly, I got SATIN due to the sandbox approach like NF Magnetic, but with way more editing possibilities. I don't care if there is a -70dB RMS noise. Heck, if I want to use a tape machine emulation, I even anticipate something like that.


So why still the drama?
Especially if things can be handled so easily...

SATIN -> Gate -> Comp
Pr Satin used with the Compander Modes only (tape bypassed) - as Urs mentioned over and over.

Problem solved, is it not?


With hosts that have nearly infinite insert slots, and access to an unlimited ammount of plugins (as long as the CPU is holding up) - do we even need to care these days that we wasted one insert for a gate post a tape machine?!