Zebra3 Info

[Nokenoku]

Yes, this might actually be the first extra preset library I'll buy (if I get Zebra).
I usually always want to make my own presets, but those patches are just too nice.

So hard to make a decision!

ah no it's easy. get both.

Yeah .. sooner or later maybe ...
At the moment I have to use my money wisely (like investing in a bottle Lagavulin 16 Years Old).



Also although some of the presets in Diva are really great, and it seems to work for me for key-sounds and pads, I somehow have a very hard time getting the basses I want out of it.
I think it has something to do with the envelopes. They don't behave like I'm used to.
On fader/knob-area I think there's too much space for "very short" decay, which then almost "switches" to "medium" times with not enough space for "short" times inbetween (imo).

I like the "weight" of the sound of Diva though. It just sounds more "touchable" in a way than most other soft-synths. That's probably coming from all the emulation/simulation going on under the hood.
But maybe the actual design of the components is just not for me.
(I mean, it's also not everybody a fan of a Minimoog.)

Or maybe, I just need some more time to get warm with it.



Edit:
Oh. Sorry for all the OT.
It's a Zebra 3 thread after all.

Any more infos on the new filters of Zebra 3 would still be great though (as I guess those are the most important part in Diva to give it that "heavy" sound).

[pdxindy]

I like the "weight" of the sound of Diva though. It just sounds more "touchable" in a way than most other soft-synths. That's probably coming from all the emulation/simulation going on under the hood.
But maybe the actual design of the components is just not for me.
(I mean, it's also not everybody a fan of a Minimoog.)


Any more infos on the new filters of Zebra 3 would still be great though (as I guess those are the most important part in Diva to give it that "heavy" sound).

Diva is much more than a Minimoog emulation...

and the Osc's are also important in Diva for its sound, not just the filters. ZebraHZ has the Diva filters (minus filterFM) and it does not sound like Diva.

As for Zebra3, it could easily end up 2015 before it comes out. The U-he roadmaps are generally too optimistic. There is really little point to talk about Z3 since anything said now may be quite different once it actually gets done. The Berlin Modular roadmap has changed so dramatically over the past few years as to be a different product. The point being, don't buy Zebra today based on stuff said about Zebra3 when it is so far away. Buy Zebra2 for Zebra2... it is an excellent synth!

[Nokenoku]

You are absolutely right about that.
No matter, how long it will be until Zebra 3 ... if I buy Zebra 2, then because I like Zebra 2.
(And because of Padsheaven of course. )

Diva is much more than a Minimoog emulation...

I know.
That was just an example to say, that one thing is how good/authentic the effects of analog components are modeled ... and the other thing is, if you actually like the design of those components (like the form of the envelopes and filter-curves).

[mihai]

i hate beating a dead horse but i'd just like to emphasize improved shaping/distortion models in zebra. recently i've found that once the shaper module is pushed hard (in shape/wedge) although there is more distortion, it cuts out lower frequencies of a sound. in tube mode the distortion sounds a bit brittle and not as well rounded as some other tube emus.

all of this not to say that it's the biggest deal-breaker since i can put something like ohmicide or maul after zebra but it would be nice to have some updated modes built-in.

not that i know how long it takes to do this but perhaps it could be implemented in a 2.7 as opposed to 3.0?

come on, urs, give me some good news!

[Urs]

Better distortion is on the menu. That's Sascha's core task on Zebra development. Won't promise anything for Z2 though... depends on how it all goes after the upcoming releases...

[mihai]

Better distortion is on the menu. That's Sascha's core task on Zebra development. Won't promise anything for Z2 though... depends on how it all goes after the upcoming releases...

no! now! nooow! *temper tantrum here*

[iamyourfather]

Is Zebra 3 scheduled/planned to be released in 2013?

Nope... next year, hopefully.

Can you confirm if midi out from the arpeggiator will be implemented on the V3 release?

Can't confirm yet, but the internal sequencer will have drag'n'drop support for MIDI files, e.g. you can drag the MIDI onto your DAW (tested in Cubase and Logic so far).

that's awesome

[Howard]

recently i've found that once the shaper module is pushed hard (in shape/wedge) although there is more distortion, it cuts out lower frequencies of a sound.

Tip: Experiment more with Wedge. I really can't agree that it "cuts out lower frequencies" - with careful tweaking you can boost the bass considerably.

[mihai]

recently i've found that once the shaper module is pushed hard (in shape/wedge) although there is more distortion, it cuts out lower frequencies of a sound.

Tip: Experiment more with Wedge. I really can't agree that it "cuts out lower frequencies" - with careful tweaking you can boost the bass considerably.

i'll play around with it more but still can't wait for v3

[aaron aardvark]

mihai,
Howard knows what he is talking about much better than me, but I have learned, with any synth plug-in, sometimes using your DAW EQ is easier to dial in some bass than tweaking the synth itself. Just my experience.

[suthnear]

I've been using the sub-osc in ACE a lot recently and was suddenly struck by the fact that there's no easy way to create a sub-osc in zebra.

So, if I might, a Z3 Osc FX feature suggestion: a subharmonic generator or even a voltage controlled frequency divider

[pdxindy]

I've been using the sub-osc in ACE a lot recently and was suddenly struck by the fact that there's no easy way to create a sub-osc in zebra.

just add another osc, or the FM osc and set the tuning down an octave or two...

[mihai]

mihai,
Howard knows what he is talking about much better than me, but I have learned, with any synth plug-in, sometimes using your DAW EQ is easier to dial in some bass than tweaking the synth itself. Just my experience.

well yeah, i do eq afterward.

I've been using the sub-osc in ACE a lot recently and was suddenly struck by the fact that there's no easy way to create a sub-osc in zebra.

what pdxindy said. it's just not called "sub osc", just regular osc/operator.

[bmrzycki]

I was reading about John Bowen's Solaris synth the other day and came across the idea of rotors:

Rotors? When did rotors enter the synth vernacular?
We all know that an oscillator basically takes a waveshape and cycles it continuously. The more complex the waveshape used, the more interesting the resulting cycles will sound. Now select four sound sources (including the external inputs and all the oscillator types mentioned previously) and play these repeatedly in a looped sequence one after the other. This is what a rotor is and Solaris has two of these as additional sound sources that can then be further mixed, filtered and modulated.

Here's an audio snippet:
http://www.johnbowen.com/WavDemos/WeirdRotor1Poly.wav

Any chance of this (or a sufficiently u-he version thereof) making its way into Z3?

[suthnear]

just add another osc, or the FM osc and set the tuning down an octave or two...

A sub-oscillator is not an oscillator tuned some number of octaves below another octave, it's an oscillator that is derived from the primary oscillator. Therefore they are perfectly in tune and in phase and there is never any drift between them.