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SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:52 am

hmm... I was really looking forward to the uber complex arp

I promise not to start controversial discussions about it and hurt its DIVA sensibilities/feelings.

Whatever arp solution you come up with, I have a question that is probably answered 40 times already.

Is it possible to have the arp output on a MIDI channel in real time?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:08 pm

We've decoupled Arp and Sequencer. The Arp in Diva is very complex, but it does not have any form of sequenced control.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:14 pm

Urs wrote:We've decoupled Arp and Sequencer. The Arp in Diva is very complex, but it does not have any form of sequenced control.

interesting, so obviously what I was hoping to do was send the note & gate info out the MIDI channel to synch Diva with an external synth. However, the majority of VSTi don't send the arp results out. There are a couple of Reaktor modules that do, but you have to jack around with the input/output setups. What most of the current solutions do is allow you to drop the arp as a MIDI file. But, that isn't real time.

EDIT: And in this context I'm using arp to specifically mean the note + +width + gate pattern.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:16 pm

Hmmm, we have not yet implemented any MIDI our functionality. I don't know if or when this could happen.

The sequencer (R.I.P.) however used MIDI Files to communicate its settings, so that was meant to have a workaround for the lack of MIDI out.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:21 pm

Urs wrote:Clemens and I are toying with the idea of releasing a current build as preview/beta *without* sequencer. The idea is to release something while we're still fixing a few issues and gui in the background.

That would be awesome!
Can't wait to play with the new modules!

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:22 pm

If it helps. I didn't like or understand the sequencer..... For the same reasons you mentioned. It was overly complicated imho.

The Arp was a go for me.

rsp

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:26 pm

Urs wrote:Hmmm, we have not yet implemented any MIDI our functionality. I don't know if or when this could happen.

The sequencer (R.I.P.) however used MIDI Files to communicate its settings, so that was meant to have a workaround for the lack of MIDI out.

That fine Urs, I wasn't actually begging for a feature. More just thinking out loud.

But, if you don't integrate a sequencer/arp, I think there is a insert plugin product lying underneath! Cuz, I know you guys were wondering what to do with all your free time. I'd really like a solid arp/sequencer that actually worked with both incoming and sent outgoing MIDI messages. Windows seems to have a dearth of that type of VST.

DavidEkl · Post by **DavidEkl** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:33 pm

Urs wrote:Hmmm, we have not yet implemented any MIDI our functionality. I don't know if or when this could happen.

The sequencer
Emphasis wrote:(R.I.P.)
however used MIDI Files to communicate its settings, so that was meant to have a workaround for the lack of MIDI out.

So Diva beta today?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:34 pm

DavidEkl wrote:
Urs wrote:Hmmm, we have not yet implemented any MIDI our functionality. I don't know if or when this could happen.

The sequencer
Emphasis wrote:(R.I.P.)
however used MIDI Files to communicate its settings, so that was meant to have a workaround for the lack of MIDI out.
So Diva beta today?

hahaha, not quite - but we're getting vastly closer

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:57 pm

Drat. I was looking forward to that sequencer.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:12 pm

Urs wrote:We've decoupled Arp and Sequencer. The Arp in Diva is very complex, but it does not have any form of sequenced control.

So no sequenced arp like in Zebra? Just an oldschool constant repeated interval arp where you can't specify the rhythm? That's too bad. IMO, the Zebra arp in Diva would have been ideal.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:16 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
Urs wrote:We've decoupled Arp and Sequencer. The Arp in Diva is very complex, but it does not have any form of sequenced control.
So no sequenced arp like in Zebra? Just an oldschool constant repeated interval arp where you can't specify the rhythm? That's too bad. IMO, the Zebra arp in Diva would have been ideal.

Unfortunately we're flooded with feature requests and there's no "good" compromise. That's why we're going back to square zero and start over with sequencer design.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:29 pm

Oh that's a surprise. We've been hearing so many good things over the past half year or so about how powerful the arp/sequencer is in the new Diva.

I think simple is good. All you really need to make any pattern is velocity bars like in Bazille with a button for each step for glide. Bar at zero is considered no note. And an arp mode (up, down, up/down etc.) which conforms to that rhythm. The sequencer morph in Bazille is brilliant by the way, that would be an excellent addition to a simple sequenced arp, allowing the rhythm to change.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:50 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Oh that's a surprise. We've been hearing so many good things over the past half year or so about how powerful the arp/sequencer is in the new Diva.

It is. But it's also too complex. The Arpeggiator is great though, and right up there with those found in vintage synths.

I think simple is good. All you really need to make any pattern is velocity bars like in Bazille with a button for each step for glide. Bar at zero is considered no note. And an arp mode (up, down, up/down etc.) which conforms to that rhythm. The sequencer morph in Bazille is brilliant by the way, that would be an excellent addition to a simple sequenced arp, allowing the rhythm to change.

The Bazille sequencer is voice based, so it can't trigger any notes, nor influence an arpeggiator.

OTOH I agree that a *simple* pattern-based solution would be favourable for Diva. Unlike any Zebra-style arp/sequencer I think that we need switchable patterns, not just one static pattern. And a facility to load/store patterns.

richardb09 · Post by **richardb09** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:42 pm

Urs wrote:
whet wrote:
Urs wrote: Unfortunately I have no idea how the sequencer on the A4 works and what it does, so I can't really say...
The Concept behind it is pretty simple but powerfull. You can set every parameter of the synth per step, like snapshots.
Yeah... I was toying with that idea but found it to be too complicated to do for any feature monster like our synths

We're currently on the brink of discarting Diva's sequencer alltogether. It has proven to be too complex and it causes controversial discussion. People expect the ease of use and functionality of Zebra's very limited arpeggiator control sequence, yet they want the functionality of our new concept (midi file support etc.).

So, quite honestly, I'm tempted to start over with the sequencer idea and make it something very, very simple. Maybe just a simple 16 step pitch/velocity/gate thing.

I could certainly live with that.........keep it simple but release it as a simple sequencer then add to it later.

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