Satin goes V1.1

[zvenx]

He gets Sundays off?

just joking..
rsp

[Agility]

2 More Q's...

I'm running Satin on drumbuss and I have my inst channels sent to reverb channels and I've noticed when muting my reverb channels and playing drum sounds I can hear a phasing sound.. my friend says it's due to Satin not reporting latency properly, is that true? Or is it just to do with the nature of the plugin?? X-Noise for example does this too.

Also with my drums I use the UHX type Compander to beef up drums(magic) by mixing it at like 9 or 3 on the dial and as such you get added noise.... I know you want to keep it natural but is it possible to for a switch to be added to get rid of this noise, to atleast have a choice? I was kinda hoping the new automute feature would affect it but it doesn't.

Reelbus recently added a Compander and theirs doesn't add any noise.

Thanks.

[sascha]

my friend says it's due to Satin not reporting latency properly, is that true?

No. Satin reports its latency correctly. However, it's up to the host to react properly. Which DAW are you using?
Also, when you duplcicate a track and have an instance on one of these, and when you're flipping the phase on this, you'll notice that even when you press the blue bypass button the two won't exactly cancel out. The overall latency might be perfectly compensated but slight phasing will remain as we're using oversampling (e.g. 8x@44k1/48k, 4x@88/96k) and the filters are minimum-phase but not zero-phase. Of course, the whole processing chain does some heavy phase rotating, which is in the nature of things.

Also with my drums I use the UHX type Compander to beef up drums(magic) by mixing it at like 9 or 3 on the dial and as such you get added noise.... I know you want to keep it natural but is it possible to for a switch to be added to get rid of this noise, to atleast have a choice? I was kinda hoping the new automute feature would affect it but it doesn't.

Reelbus recently added a Compander and theirs doesn't add any noise.

We don't add any noise within the compander section. So, question is where does the noise come from? Is it from the hiss & asperity controls, or is it already existent at the input.

Try making a test:
- load the '-default studio -' preset
- don't apply any processing at the input
- crank up the hiss control to maximum (-40dB)
- select 'uhx I' from the *decoder* list (leave encoder to 'none')
- turn the mix from 0 to 100%. You'll hear the noise becoming quieter. Even more when you select 'uhx II'

When you, instead, choose either uhx type for the encoder only, nothing happens here, as the encoding is placed before the tape noise processing (of course).
BUT: any noise existent at the plugin's inputs gets exxaggerated by any of the encoder systems. This is also natural as all of them work as upward compressors.

And: of course the process of 'noise reduction' with Satin only works with the internal noise sources, as the signal flow is encoder->noise->decoder. The plugin can't filter out any noise from outside, as apposed to 'sigle-ended' noise reduction systems.

If this still leaves you puzzled please provide more info on what you're exactly doing or trying to achieve.

[zvenx]

btw, thanks for this update.

appreciated.
rsp

[Tp3]

btw, thanks for this update.

appreciated.
rsp

Ummm... a little OT :

What de fack is rsp ?!

Thanks

Sacha, thanks for all the explaining you make (and made !)... it adds TONS to the (otherwise utterly great) manual !

Hope I helped with the mail I send you 9 days ago (I have accomplished my part).

Cheers !!

[wnick]

the update is fine on reaper - no more jumping knobs:) thanks
the lower tape speed is a nice new feature but I miss an updated eq for the low speeds to control the frequency response cause currently it's alittle bit too wobbly. By the way the scaling of the frequency diagram isn't optimal. When missusing the compander section the graph often went out of range.

[sascha]

the update is fine on reaper - no more jumping kobs:) thanks
the lower tape speed is a nice new feature but I miss an updated eq for the low speeds to control the frequency response cause currently it's alittle bit too wobbly. By the way the scaling of the frequency diagram isn't optimal. When missusing the compander section the graph often went out of range.

Mind you, the spectral view is the most accurate at low input levels; the higher the input gain (=distortion) the more crazy the plot becomes. This is usual with all spectrum analyzers using a dirac impulse (like this one). Hence the somewhat twisted figures with low speed, I suppose.

The eq itself is compensated. The pre-emphasis applies automatic gain factors internally (we've stated the factors in the manual).

We might offer selectable analysis method in the future, like log sine sweep which can handle nonlinearities much better than a dirac, at the cost of some ripple.

[EvilDragon]

What de fack is rsp ?!

Respect.

[zvenx]

btw, thanks for this update.

appreciated.
rsp

Ummm... a little OT :

What de fack is rsp ?!

Thanks

Sacha, thanks for all the explaining you make (and made !)... it adds TONS to the (otherwise utterly great) manual !

Hope I helped with the mail I send you 9 days ago (I have accomplished my part).

Cheers !!

its my initials
richard sven patterson

rsp

[zvenx]

What de fack is rsp ?!

Respect.

lol
actually I prefer this one
rsp

[EvilDragon]

[Ch00rD]

Also with my drums I use the UHX type Compander to beef up drums(magic) by mixing it at like 9 or 3 on the dial and as such you get added noise.... I know you want to keep it natural but is it possible to for a switch to be added to get rid of this noise, to atleast have a choice? I was kinda hoping the new automute feature would affect it but it doesn't.

Reelbus recently added a Compander and theirs doesn't add any noise.

We don't add any noise within the compander section. So, question is where does the noise come from? Is it from the hiss & asperity controls, or is it already existent at the input. [...]

And: of course the process of 'noise reduction' with Satin only works with the internal noise sources, as the signal flow is encoder->noise->decoder. The plugin can't filter out any noise from outside, as apposed to 'sigle-ended' noise reduction systems.

If this still leaves you puzzled please provide more info on what you're exactly doing or trying to achieve.

I noticed noise that seems to come from the Compander section in uhx mode as well. It is most apparent with Mix around 50%, hardly when Mix is at either 0 or 100%.

Try this test:
- Select Studio mode;
- Have NO audio input to Satin;
- Bypass Tape (!);
- Input level at minimum;
- Output level at maximum;
- Makeup active;
- Select any of the two uhx modes for Encoder;
- Set Compander Mix around 50%;
- Either leave Decoder mode to 'none' (most apparent), or select one of the two uhx modes.

While the setup is admittedly exaggerated, this results in audible noise, that seems to come only from the Compander section. It's not an issue to me, but I do wonder what causes it in terms of the effect's model.

[@l3x!5]

I just wanted to thank Sascha and everyone at U-He for Satin.

The level of finesse and detail it enables sound-wise… My goodness. On fine acoustic drums, barely any need for post-compression, EQ, anything really. I never managed to get close to that quality of a sound before, and now that I can "forehear" it (and with so little work on my part), to be fair, it feels a bit like cheating

I still went with VTM on a bass part for which it felt better, but with a little time and practice… On an Orange Tree's EAG track, after some trial and error within the Service Panel, well… no additional EQ needed, no Pultec, nothing. It's just there, it's done. How can this be?! Granted, I'm not an engineer, but still! This is unreal. Also it's a match made in heaven with VCC. Can't wait to try it on strings!

Thank you all so much!! You are super awesome. What a wonderful time to be making music… We're a lucky bunch!

[K-Slash]

Thanks to Sascha and the team, yes !

Can't wait for the v1.1 with the new tape speeds, and for Presswerk.

[zvenx]

there is a public beta of v1.1 on page 29

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 87#5503387
rsp