Wait... what about an Sequencer product?

[TomTwohy]

This may sound a but ridiculous after pounding on and on before, wanting a better "Zebra-internal" sequencer... but I'm beginning to question this idea more and more as I use other companies sequencers and find the idea more flexible.

As it is, we ask Urs and team for an internal solution... yet also demand it have drag-and-drop or various other solutions to get the resulting sequence into the DAW.

At first, I wanted to merely save my sequences in the composition only... but NOW, I find that even if I use the internal, I want to change the SOUND in the COMPOSITION.

With an stand-alone "zebra-external" sequencer, all one need do is reach out and change the patch... with it internal, your stuck altering the patch... altering it significantly takes all the time it usually takes (sometimes forever).

Also, it "fits" the "Berlin Modular" theme better... perhaps programming hooks could be used to make "special" access for U-he products... on top of the standard MIDI #CC range for mod control?


I know you have a sequencer in the works, this would simply make it Stand-alone and thus available to all u-he products as well as (to a slightly lesser degree) every other MIDI product out there.

( I suppose you can add a few ugly patch cables and big 70's-80's lookin' knob renders... if you must! )



Just a thought, thanks for reading!

[BBFG#]

Might be nice, or maybe just auto-mappings (instead of midi-learn) to other hardware already available could fit the bill?

As far as hardware (without making it an iPad app) it would be nice to have a small controller with multiple x/y pads. Something like the Korg Nanos or Akai mini in size?

The Bazille format I'm still anxiously awaiting to actually experience first.

(oh you lucky beta users)...

[TomTwohy]

uhmmm... I'm reffering to simply having a sequencer plugin as opposed to an internal sequencers built into individual products... not hardware (U-he doesn't manufacture stuff).


Man, people crave hardware... yeeesh!

LET IT GO!

[BBFG#]

uhmmm... I'm reffering to simply having a sequencer plugin as opposed to an internal sequencers built into individual products... not hardware (U-he doesn't manufacture stuff).


Man, people crave hardware... yeeesh!

LET IT GO!

Okay, got it! Still, if you did have it as a plugin, it would almost seem redundant, maybe more of a rewire version?

And in hardware, I just want the beast of all controllers!

[EvilDragon]

Might be cool. In the meantime: http://www.kirnuarp.com/

[Sendy]

I kinda see it as a waste of their time to be honest, unless they feel they have something mould-breaking that they wish to do. I'm much more excited about Bazille, Zebra 3, Diva and Satin updates, the new dynamics/saturation/presswerk stuffs. They have their work kinda cut out already.

[BBFG#]

I kinda see it as a waste of their time to be honest, unless they feel they have something mould-breaking that they wish to do. I'm much more excited about Bazille, Zebra 3, Diva and Satin updates, the new dynamics/saturation/presswerk stuffs. They have their work kinda cut out already.

+1 on Zeb3 and Bazille!

[3*s]

How would you save sequences as part of a patch? Also IIRC they were planning a sequencer lock function for the DIVA sequencer. I'm willing to bet it will show show up in Z3.

[whet]

Also IIRC they were planning a sequencer lock function for the DIVA sequencer.

Afaik the idea was just to lock modules, nothing related to the sequencer.

[Urs]

Also IIRC they were planning a sequencer lock function for the DIVA sequencer.

Afaik the idea was just to lock modules, nothing related to the sequencer.

The sequencer being the most locked module

[TomTwohy]

In the meantime...

Thanks Evil Dragon, I actually have little Kirnu and the demo of Cream... and Demo Cuthulu.

Just wanted to see how this floated... and I see many just use the underlying DAW (wull.. duh).

Kirnu is way handy for playing stuff in I can't play anymore with dependable results (minor stroke made my playing hand kinda "drunk"... all the time).

Oh well, at least some few people seem to look favorably on it poll-wise.

Saving as part of the patch is a bit musically boring when composing... sure, some patches are fun as one-key do-all sequence patches. But this ignores the compositional flexibility to take the pattern and try different sounds... as it is, it's frustrating ESPECIALLY when you can't even access the darn pattern.

(I know a fix is in the works, and will probably be fine)

The need for built-in sequence patches is a sound idea for live performance... no question there.

Mmmm I guess I'm thinking like a DJ/Producer... as opposed to a keyboardist.



(When did THAT happen )

[whet]

Also IIRC they were planning a sequencer lock function for the DIVA sequencer.

Afaik the idea was just to lock modules, nothing related to the sequencer.

The sequencer being the most locked module

Anyway i like the idea. Would be very quick to experiment with, especially for beginners, just lock a synth section, switch presets and see where it takes you.

[Sendy]

I've grown to quite like integrated step sequencers, just another tool to warp the sound and create patterns that work with the patch. Often I want my notes to sound one or two octaves above the keyed pitch just for the attack of a note, or I want the octaves to be jumping up and down, the former is difficult to impossible to do with a conventional LFO and the latter frees up your LFO for other stuff.

So when a sequencer/arp is integrated into a synth it becomes a further layer of sound design, rather than just a way to make riffs and stuff.

[deastman]

You know, it strikes me as a little arrogant to start a poll about what kind of sequencer this or any company should make. If they wanted us to do market research on their behalf, they would have asked.

Internal and external sequencers generally have different purposes. External or DAW sequencers are most commonly used as note sequencers, while internal ones are better suited for modulation of a wide variety of internal parameters. Of course the whole sequencer as arpeggiator thing kind of muddies the water. Both have their place.

[xh3rv]

Similar to the way DIVA has a compelling set of swappable osc/env/filter modules, would a few swappable step-sequencers - each with strong, unique, clear identity - make sense? I guess I'm wondering (just wondering, really) about this both specifically with DIVA and more generically for any plug.