No the OPs OP, no public beta for us mere mortals.Compyfox wrote:You mean the features from Bitwig in Cubase?musikmachine wrote:So um oh yeah, that's a no OP.
Pretty much agree, but hey... I can dream.
The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread
- KVRAF
- 8644 posts since 2 Oct, 2006 from Leeds, UK
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- KVRAF
- 11315 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
I haven't tried this at all... very cool to set it up for key-switching! This just opened a lot of possibilities, but what to try this with first?bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
- KVRAF
- 26963 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
It is such a great feature. And it works with any synths or effects. Add a synth a track, hit Com-G to group it... Drag another synth into a second chain. And do it again. Now there are 3 chains. There is an easy to use graph so set one synth to play low notes (key split), and the other two layer in the upper end. Select presets and play. Give each synth its own chain of effects. You can even split the signal from 1 synth into two effects chains by nesting racks. You can also switch between chains using a midi controller. Then when you have a setup you like, just drag it to the browser to save the whole thing.bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
I cannot imagine not having the Live racks!
- KVRAF
- 26963 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
You can key switch or velocity switch, or both... You can make a sharp change, or blend between them over a user defined range. There is also a chain select option and you can use a midi controller like modwheel to switch live between chains while you play.elxsound wrote:I haven't tried this at all... very cool to set it up for key-switching! This just opened a lot of possibilities, but what to try this with first?bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
You could make a bass sound from C1-C3 From C3 up it plays another synth. At C4, a 3rd synth will start to fade in and it will be fully sounding (layered) by C5... just one example
- KVRAF
- 11315 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Is there anyway to get this switch via midi keys? I'd love for it to work similar to Kontakt instruments (switching between different timbres or articulations) but it will only map to one key at a time.pdxindy wrote:It is such a great feature. And it works with any synths or effects. Add a synth a track, hit Com-G to group it... Drag another synth into a second chain. And do it again. Now there are 3 chains. There is an easy to use graph so set one synth to play low notes (key split), and the other two layer in the upper end. Select presets and play. Give each synth its own chain of effects. You can even split the signal from 1 synth into two effects chains by nesting racks. You can also switch between chains using a midi controller. Then when you have a setup you like, just drag it to the browser to save the whole thing.bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
I cannot imagine not having the Live racks!
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I'm a bit tired of the kibosh being lowered on everything like they "own" the thread. "don't do this, don't do that"dalor wrote:hibidy wrote:Wow, that other thread!The NBWTPM (New Bitwig Threads Per Minute) are quite high. Its Word DAW 3: Bans. Tears. Words. Expectations. It's like a daytime Soap Operdaw
I think everyone needs a nap and get over that this isn't THEIR forum only. (but I'm sure some people feel the same about me, so it's the "DAWS" of our lives
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- KVRist
- 414 posts since 15 Nov, 2012 from New Zealand
A nap at 1:30pm
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- KVRAF
- 11315 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
pdxindy, I'm ready to propose to you. What size ring are you?pdxindy wrote:You can key switch or velocity switch, or both... You can make a sharp change, or blend between them over a user defined range. There is also a chain select option and you can use a midi controller like modwheel to switch live between chains while you play.elxsound wrote:I haven't tried this at all... very cool to set it up for key-switching! This just opened a lot of possibilities, but what to try this with first?bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
You could make a bass sound from C1-C3 From C3 up it plays another synth. At C4, a 3rd synth will start to fade in and it will be fully sounding (layered) by C5... just one example
I love this. I'm kicking myself that I never thought of doing this before. I just ran a cheesy bass line into an instance of Zebra, ACE and Aalto, then automated the switching (only used my mouse, no midi knobs assigned yet). Then I fed this through NI's Drive and into Permut8. F*cking beautiful is all I can say.
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- KVRAF
- 3071 posts since 29 Sep, 2005
Do you mean key switching for live play or within a DAW?elxsound wrote:Is there anyway to get this switch via midi keys? I'd love for it to work similar to Kontakt instruments (switching between different timbres or articulations) but it will only map to one key at a time.pdxindy wrote:It is such a great feature. And it works with any synths or effects. Add a synth a track, hit Com-G to group it... Drag another synth into a second chain. And do it again. Now there are 3 chains. There is an easy to use graph so set one synth to play low notes (key split), and the other two layer in the upper end. Select presets and play. Give each synth its own chain of effects. You can even split the signal from 1 synth into two effects chains by nesting racks. You can also switch between chains using a midi controller. Then when you have a setup you like, just drag it to the browser to save the whole thing.bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
I cannot imagine not having the Live racks!
Can you do what you need with midi cc's?
And, you probably already know about the "Auto" tab in Kontakt, right? It has over 500 editable parameter codes in host automation. A lot of times I'll remap to these to free up the key switches and better/easier automation.
Is that something that will accomplish your need?
Happy Musiking!
dsan
- KVRAF
- 11315 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Hibidy... they own us. You just don't know it yet.hibidy wrote:I'm a bit tired of the kibosh being lowered on everything like they "own" the thread. "don't do this, don't do that"dalor wrote:hibidy wrote:Wow, that other thread!The NBWTPM (New Bitwig Threads Per Minute) are quite high. Its Word DAW 3: Bans. Tears. Words. Expectations. It's like a daytime Soap Operdaw
I think everyone needs a nap and get over that this isn't THEIR forum only. (but I'm sure some people feel the same about me, so it's the "DAWS" of our lives)

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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
I think people are taking these things - way - too personally.
I made a thread because someone asked me to. I don't personally care that much if people flood it with silly personal arguments, I only was passing along a request from another user. Why he didn't make the thread himself? No idea. Now that I see it has caused ill-will and is causing snide comments apparently directed at me, I regret doing it.
Anyway, reading various threads here today (Sonar, Bitwig, etc, etc) it seems something bad is just in the air, people getting personaly offended, angry, arguing, throwing really personal insults, etc, etc, over really nothing much at all.
Like I said last time I took a long break from all this madness ... "....and so ends my most recent foray ino KVR".
I can only take so much of this place at a time and I think I crossed that threshold already. 
I made a thread because someone asked me to. I don't personally care that much if people flood it with silly personal arguments, I only was passing along a request from another user. Why he didn't make the thread himself? No idea. Now that I see it has caused ill-will and is causing snide comments apparently directed at me, I regret doing it.
Anyway, reading various threads here today (Sonar, Bitwig, etc, etc) it seems something bad is just in the air, people getting personaly offended, angry, arguing, throwing really personal insults, etc, etc, over really nothing much at all.
Like I said last time I took a long break from all this madness ... "....and so ends my most recent foray ino KVR".
- KVRAF
- 11315 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
I meant to do what I already can do in Kontakt, but now in Live's Device Chain. I'd love to simply press a key and have it switch to a different synth, but unfortunately it seems you can only assign one midi assignment per switching parameter.dsan@mail.com wrote:Do you mean key switching for live play or within a DAW?elxsound wrote:Is there anyway to get this switch via midi keys? I'd love for it to work similar to Kontakt instruments (switching between different timbres or articulations) but it will only map to one key at a time.pdxindy wrote:It is such a great feature. And it works with any synths or effects. Add a synth a track, hit Com-G to group it... Drag another synth into a second chain. And do it again. Now there are 3 chains. There is an easy to use graph so set one synth to play low notes (key split), and the other two layer in the upper end. Select presets and play. Give each synth its own chain of effects. You can even split the signal from 1 synth into two effects chains by nesting racks. You can also switch between chains using a midi controller. Then when you have a setup you like, just drag it to the browser to save the whole thing.bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
I cannot imagine not having the Live racks!
Can you do what you need with midi cc's?
And, you probably already know about the "Auto" tab in Kontakt, right? It has over 500 editable parameter codes in host automation. A lot of times I'll remap to these to free up the key switches and better/easier automation.
Is that something that will accomplish your need?
Happy Musiking!
dsan
It actually works out just fine without it this way. In my other post I wrote what I did and well, I love the results!
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- KVRAF
- 3071 posts since 29 Sep, 2005
elxsound wrote:pdxindy, I'm ready to propose to you. What size ring are you?pdxindy wrote:You can key switch or velocity switch, or both... You can make a sharp change, or blend between them over a user defined range. There is also a chain select option and you can use a midi controller like modwheel to switch live between chains while you play.elxsound wrote:I haven't tried this at all... very cool to set it up for key-switching! This just opened a lot of possibilities, but what to try this with first?bmrzycki wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of that feature. I sure hope BW has it, that sounds useful. Similar to the split layer mode in Omnisphere.pdxindy wrote:In Live's instrument rack, I can layer multiple synths each with their own device chain. I can velocity layer them, do key splits, etc... all in one track and to save the rack just drag it to the browser (very slick the whole thing). From what I have seen, you will need to use 2 tracks in Bitwig to layer 2 synths (but maybe it is there?). And then it is not easy to save such a setup...
You could make a bass sound from C1-C3 From C3 up it plays another synth. At C4, a 3rd synth will start to fade in and it will be fully sounding (layered) by C5... just one example
I love this. I'm kicking myself that I never thought of doing this before. I just ran a cheesy bass line into an instance of Zebra, ACE and Aalto, then automated the switching (only used my mouse, no midi knobs assigned yet). Then I fed this through NI's Drive and into Permut8. F*cking beautiful is all I can say.
Happy Musiking!
dsan
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I would never do that!LawrenceF wrote:I think people are taking these things - way - too personally.
But on a serious note, it's really been frustrating of late. And it's not just this, it's a bunch of things.
But mostly, I like it here.