Tape start/stop effect in Satin
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Honestly, I cannot see how tape start/stop emulation could damage the Satin reputation as a mastering tool but it could definitely enhance it's image as an ultimate tape lab. Could be one more deciding factor for those who choose between Satin and Slate/Waves/Uad offerings.Urs wrote:We've got it in our ever growing list of feature requests, but no decision for any ifs or whens yet.
One objection that was raised is, if we add too much glitch, lofi and clutter, it may damage Satin's reputation as a mastering tool. We will have to weigh that in on our decisions.
Of course, it's up to the devs to decide, I'm happy with Satin as is.
Btw, there is a tapestop thingy in the latest TB Reelbus version. But I'm sure, U-he could do it better
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- KVRist
- 213 posts since 28 Jul, 2012
Read sascha's post. It's excellent and explains why they aren't thrilled to add everything we ask.
I'm huge lo-fi/glitch lover but I'm completely satisfied they way Satin is. Hell we even got 1.1 update and it's about a month Satin was released in the first place.
I'm huge lo-fi/glitch lover but I'm completely satisfied they way Satin is. Hell we even got 1.1 update and it's about a month Satin was released in the first place.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3178 posts since 10 Jan, 2005
TB is far too easy in this.recursive one wrote:
Btw, there is a tapestop thingy in the latest TB Reelbus version. But I'm sure, U-he could do it better
Well, they could add it as well
Anyway it's an easy guess that a free Satinette with this feature alone would make a lot of guys happy
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- KVRAF
- 5521 posts since 6 May, 2002
Like with DIVA, Satin already packs in several modes for a bargain price. If anything they should be thinking about doing a dedicated tape stop plugin after they finish the compressor.
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- KVRAF
- 5200 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
I think that tape stop effect in satin would be useless and crappy thing. Lame as well. It's only my imho. And no i don't share opinion that "many" people requested it or actually need it. Not worth at all..Note that i don't think tapestop is stupid per se, but really..i never needed it in whole my life and it seems like a gimmick to me. Don't flame me now because of this.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3178 posts since 10 Jan, 2005
Good for you... if I had it I'd use it...kmonkey wrote:I think that tape stop effect in satin would be useless and crappy thing. Lame as well. It's only my imho. And no i don't share opinion that "many" people requested it or actually need it. Not worth at all..Note that i don't think tapestop is stupid per se, but really..i never needed it in whole my life and it seems like a gimmick to me. Don't flame me now because of this.
There i said it...
Now i feel better..
- Mario
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- KVRAF
- 3878 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat
Are you joking? I'd use it on every track! Hell, I'd riddle my tracks with tapestops, one every 20 seconds. I'll even start a new genre, called "Stop Step".kmonkey wrote:I think that tape stop effect in satin would be useless and crappy thing. Lame as well. It's only my imho. And no i don't share opinion that "many" people requested it or actually need it. Not worth at all..Note that i don't think tapestop is stupid per se, but really..i never needed it in whole my life and it seems like a gimmick to me. Don't flame me now because of this.
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- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
Around the topic, are they any tape stop effect available for mac ?
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- KVRian
- 777 posts since 13 Dec, 2011
Which DAW/host/sequencer allows tempi all the way down to 0 BPM?electro wrote:Tape start/stop effect should be possible via DAW master tempotrack.
The best way I can think of to achieve the tape stop using Satin (as is) would be to automate the delay time in Delay mode (with a single playhead) from short to long, making the playhead move at the same speed as the tape itself (which implies that the maximum length of the 'stop' effect is limited by the maximum delay time).
PS: Pssst: Permut8 does a wicked glitchy lo-fi stop effect. Nothing like tape.
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- u-he
- 30247 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
May I suggest Uhbik-G? It does a really nice drop when you move Scale to 0, yet it stays in sync
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- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
Urs wrote:May I suggest Uhbik-G? It does a really nice drop when you move Scale to 0, yet it stays in sync
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- KVRist
- 228 posts since 26 Sep, 2013
I've done quite a lot of tape effects, and I don't believe it could be done in the digital realm. Maybe a nice start/stop effect, yes, but for this you can use other tools, for example dj apps.
Satin is for me mostly a virtual tape machine. I haven't even tried the effects much. For those who really want those tape effects, I really suggest to buy a tape machine. It is much fun, and you can get spectacular effects out of them. And they don't have to be expensive at all, I just recently found one for very cheap. While getting a calibrated 24-track is a whole different story ...
Satin is for me mostly a virtual tape machine. I haven't even tried the effects much. For those who really want those tape effects, I really suggest to buy a tape machine. It is much fun, and you can get spectacular effects out of them. And they don't have to be expensive at all, I just recently found one for very cheap. While getting a calibrated 24-track is a whole different story ...
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- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
But if Satin nails the sound of the tape and any generic playback rate resample effect nails the actual drop in pitch, surely that's as good a model as a real tape stop as you could hope for?Phil999 wrote:I've done quite a lot of tape effects, and I don't believe it could be done in the digital realm. Maybe a nice start/stop effect, yes, but for this you can use other tools, for example dj apps.
Satin is for me mostly a virtual tape machine. I haven't even tried the effects much. For those who really want those tape effects, I really suggest to buy a tape machine. It is much fun, and you can get spectacular effects out of them. And they don't have to be expensive at all, I just recently found one for very cheap. While getting a calibrated 24-track is a whole different story ...
I mean, tapes don't really slow down or speed up in any way that affects the sound beyond speed change. That's probably not 100% true (what is in this life?!) but it's true enough to satisfy listening tests.
If you were to say tape flanging is hard to nail virtually, I'd agree, because I've heard live tape flanging where the stereo effect felt like it was splaying the interference patterns across the room... very psychedelic! But a tape stop is just tape saturation + playback modulation.
Shortcircuit is a good option for these effects, you can modulate playback rate through zero and into negative (reverse) and back again seamlessly. Sometimes people assume I've got some super crazy pitch shift effect that nobody knows about, nope, it's just Shortcircuit
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