Tape start/stop effect in Satin

[Phil999]

I guess with Satin and one of those slow down/speed up effects should do the trick more or less. Experiment!

[lofty]

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[pdxindy]

From the user perspective, valid arguments were uttered. So far, so good. But I personally don't subscribe to the 'we do it because we can' attitude which is so common in this plugin business.

Frankly, I'm not keen on putting weeks of effort into a feature that only a small minority of potential customers would use. [People might shout 'how do you know?' but a lot of my past and present work is based on my own intuition, and turning that off would mean crippling my main ability in this field.]
Every new time-intensive feature must lead to a serious revenue, since we're doing this for a living. Geekery is nice but needs to pay off at the end of the day. So, with every new feature add-on, we have to outweigh if it's really worth it, if it's good for the entire concept or whether it might perhaps distract people from looking closer because they feel overwhelmed. The best we currently can do is maintain the product for a while in its current state, gather user experience, and re-calibrate our own view. We would definitely kill it by constantly implementing new features in this young state, as if on auto-pilot, so that we probably wouldn't recognize it any more ourselves in the end. It's not even out for a month by now, which is nothing. It needs to mature. But that takes time. *We* also need time.

Welcome to the world of U-he! Where innovative successful products get an avalanche of feature requests from users... btw, it never stops... hehe

[iamyourfather]

+1, and as I have mentioned earlier, why stop at stop - why not also allow to reverse direction?

We've got it in our ever growing list of feature requests, but no decision for any ifs or whens yet.

One objection that was raised is, if we add too much glitch, lofi and clutter, it may damage Satin's reputation as a mastering tool. We will have to weigh that in on our decisions.

I really don't understand that argument. It seems to start from the premise that some 'mastering engineers' are likely to just slap on some effect without really knowing what they are doing, only because it may have a reputation for being a great mastering effect / tool. Imho that would be more telling about the reputation of those mastering (engineers) than of Satin.

That will make them feel vindicated whilst losing money won't it Whilst you are correct, they do have to look at the bottom line as well the idealistic vision. I see Urs point. The satinette idea could be a good compromise tho

[Phil999]

Satinette would be a good name, I like it.

But honestly, let's ask ourselves the question: how many times in our career are we're going to use a tape stop effect? Once? Twice maybe? Like the flanging effect in the middle of a song, we cannot overuse that effect.

I think we must divide between wanting something and really needing something. Especially in the virtual world. Just because it is doable doesn't mean it is necessary.

And, why spending $50 and more for a plugin if you can have the real thing for less? Which will sound much better anyway, at the cost of more experimentation and work?

I am and cannot be against a 'Satinette'. It just doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe these are just general thoughts that are worth thinking about for a minute.

[Sendy]

I find the idea that effects should be used conservatively a bit... conservative myself. I don't think tapestop effects seem to belong in Satin (though expansions in the lofi angle would be welcome), since (Satin + another plugin) can do the job just as well... but in electronic music, these effects are being used constantly.

In EDM it seems like every melodic phrase ends with a tapestop

Dooo do do dedoo beeooowww... da-da Doooo do be doo be de beeooowww

(that was my tapestop melody impression)

So I'm just saying, there is a market for it, whether or not it's appropriate for Satin or not.

[pdxindy]

Alright, enough for Satin for the moment... I want Bazille!!

[Sendy]

Alright, enough for Satin for the moment... I want Bazille!!

I'm still dying to see the Diva update *winge* *moan* Are we there yet?

[Cyoon]

+1 on Uhbik-G..simply awesome FX