Where is the love for D16 Lush 101?
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 43898 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from clown world
I thought you already had jumped ship when you sold your D16 Drum Machines to me. Did you purchase them again since? I've done that myself actually. Sold FabFilter Twin2 thinking it was not that good. Then purchasing a new copy of it later on.TheoM wrote:Interesting. They do what they were made for very well, but do you mean they announced there wouldn't even be future bug fix updates of the drum machines for example to even work with new OS? If they announced such a thing I will jump ship now on the drum machines before I use them in too many projects. (Being on mac one needs to know a dev is committed to keeping up with OS changes, much much less so on windows).electro wrote:d16 are not updating their drum machines, but they published a road map for Lush updates.re_mute wrote:4. None of these issues will ever be addressed - D16 are shit at updating their stuff or responding to user issues, especially in contrast to U-He.
I find LuSH-101 too heavy on the juice to use. When I got it, I was thinking of it as a nice investment (€61.59 EUR from JRRShop) for the future when I hopefully get a more powerful setup.
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- KVRist
- 363 posts since 4 Jul, 2007
As others have pointed out - horrendous CPU usage for what you get (kills my system quicker than Diva) and TAL Bassline is better for that particular sound.
The frustrating thing is that a) Lush is SO close to being awesome but needs a few tweaks and more soundsets bundled and b) seems to have never really been improved upon since release.
There are a couple of really sweet deep house stabs I use but apart from that I can never make anything really interesting with it.
Also, that architecture which means you need to manually activate which function you want to automate is really annoying. I love to pull up a synth and do a heap of random automation of multiple parameters on the fly - I can't do this quickly with Lush because I need to manually activate each one beforehand.
That said, if they come out with a wicked update that addresses the various issues, I think I will possibly come to love this synth as it has so much potential...
The frustrating thing is that a) Lush is SO close to being awesome but needs a few tweaks and more soundsets bundled and b) seems to have never really been improved upon since release.
There are a couple of really sweet deep house stabs I use but apart from that I can never make anything really interesting with it.
Also, that architecture which means you need to manually activate which function you want to automate is really annoying. I love to pull up a synth and do a heap of random automation of multiple parameters on the fly - I can't do this quickly with Lush because I need to manually activate each one beforehand.
That said, if they come out with a wicked update that addresses the various issues, I think I will possibly come to love this synth as it has so much potential...
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- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
people on kvr spends thousands on plugs but they don't update their core 2 duo computers. I agree that LUSH uses a ton of cpu, no question, but I see this complaint for many synths. People really need to spend some money updating their computers instead of all on plugs. Or maybe I am totally wrong lol
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- KVRAF
- 26931 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I have an i7 quad and Lush kills it...ATS wrote:people on kvr spends thousands on plugs but they don't update their core 2 duo computers. I agree that LUSH uses a ton of cpu, no question, but I see this complaint for many synths. People really need to spend some money updating their computers instead of all on plugs. Or maybe I am totally wrong lol
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 30 Nov, 2012
If there would be an easy way to just transfer my whole system to another machine I'd do that - but the hassle of installing all my stuff again, programs, VSTs, libraries, looking for all the serials, licences...dealing with eventually removing Windows 8 from a new machine, looking for Windows 7 drives (which ev. do not exist for the new machine)..no way...ATS wrote:people on kvr spends thousands on plugs but they don't update their core 2 duo computers. I agree that LUSH uses a ton of cpu, no question, but I see this complaint for many synths. People really need to spend some money updating their computers instead of all on plugs. Or maybe I am totally wrong lol
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- KVRAF
- 5912 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Comparing sound/features and CPU usage will not make it for a lot of users a very interesting synth. I remember that it was only a short time I had with Lush... Installed, played a bit, uninstalled, ready 
IMO there was never a big love in forums for D16 Lush 101 since the first day it was released. It's relatively quick falling under the radar
IMO there was never a big love in forums for D16 Lush 101 since the first day it was released. It's relatively quick falling under the radar
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- KVRist
- 363 posts since 4 Jul, 2007
same - I have an i7 2660 o/c'd to 4.2 and the poly patches in Lush are pretty brutal...pdxindy wrote:I have an i7 quad and Lush kills it...ATS wrote:people on kvr spends thousands on plugs but they don't update their core 2 duo computers. I agree that LUSH uses a ton of cpu, no question, but I see this complaint for many synths. People really need to spend some money updating their computers instead of all on plugs. Or maybe I am totally wrong lol
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- KVRAF
- 2323 posts since 2 Feb, 2009 from Germany
Sometimes, even superb synths need their time to get the status they deserve... for example NI Massive, it's out for years now, but just since ~1 year so massively used and the new standart tool next to Sylenth1 in nearly all EDM genres...
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- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
pdxindy wrote:I have an i7 quad and Lush kills it...ATS wrote:people on kvr spends thousands on plugs but they don't update their core 2 duo computers. I agree that LUSH uses a ton of cpu, no question, but I see this complaint for many synths. People really need to spend some money updating their computers instead of all on plugs. Or maybe I am totally wrong lol
Something is wrong then because I have a i7 quad and I have tried to max it out before but could not do it.
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"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
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- KVRian
- 1488 posts since 7 Jan, 2004
Same here, i7 quad. I'd like to buy a DAW computer which is at least three times faster than the one I have now. It used to be an upgrade decision. I always waited so many years for an upgrade to make a real difference.pdxindy wrote:I have an i7 quad and Lush kills it...ATS wrote:people on kvr spends thousands on plugs but they don't update their core 2 duo computers. I agree that LUSH uses a ton of cpu, no question, but I see this complaint for many synths. People really need to spend some money updating their computers instead of all on plugs. Or maybe I am totally wrong lol
However the focus of the consumer computer industry has turned to portable devices. The high end computing market is largely neglected because the average consumer has already plenty of power for their daily computer activities.
So, ATS, you're indeed completely wrong here because there simply are no PC's which are much more powerful than the one currently in use. When money would not be a concern I could buy a dual Xeon server system. That way it would at least double, mayby triple the computing power. It would cost me at least 5 or 6 grand though (which I can't spend neither on hardware nor on software).
The more I hang around at KVR the less music I make.
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- KVRAF
- 19781 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I love luSH101 and it's sound is far beyond what a little SH101 could do. But as was mentioned above you need a modern computer to run modern synths. I bought an i7 just to run synths like luSH101, Diva and Diversion....the latter two are next up on my to buy list.
I was pleasantly surprised at the range of sounds luSH101 can make given it's limited number of waveforms...very impressive quality...
I was pleasantly surprised at the range of sounds luSH101 can make given it's limited number of waveforms...very impressive quality...
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- KVRAF
- 19781 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I have an i7 3770K not overclocked. Almost all the patches I have created so far for luSH101 have used multiple layers and it runs just fine. I can't run two instances at the same time with layered patches without the lights going out in the neighborhood but a single instance will run just fine. I think it also depends on your Host as well......ATS wrote:pdxindy wrote:I have an i7 quad and Lush kills it...ATS wrote:people on kvr spends thousands on plugs but they don't update their core 2 duo computers. I agree that LUSH uses a ton of cpu, no question, but I see this complaint for many synths. People really need to spend some money updating their computers instead of all on plugs. Or maybe I am totally wrong lol
Something is wrong then because I have a i7 quad and I have tried to max it out before but could not do it.
Still it wouldn't hurt for D-16 to try and minimize CPU demands or go with multi threading.....
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRist
- 333 posts since 17 Aug, 2008
I think we can safely say the problems with Lush-101 don't have much to do with processing power. I'm also on an Ivy Bridge i7, and I've recently had a few problematic projects - it's been extremely hard to choke my Mac Mini up in any sort of realistic project, but slap in three or four Lush-101's... The CPU meter will never stop hitting red. I have an extremely hard time believing this product was created to use on computers more powerful than that.
It seems to also be highly dependable on any specific preset or setting you might be using, but for me it didn't seem to make any sense - I had a simple electric piano preset loaded up on it. I was forced to look for a similar sound elsewhere.
It seems to also be highly dependable on any specific preset or setting you might be using, but for me it didn't seem to make any sense - I had a simple electric piano preset loaded up on it. I was forced to look for a similar sound elsewhere.
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- KVRAF
- 9091 posts since 28 May, 2005 from Netherneverlands
Same here. I have an i7 920 @ 266Ghz that could not handle it either. But if multicore support will drastically improve performance then I'm sure Lush will be back on my radar.Kaboom75 wrote:I love the Lush sound but the no multicore support meant I could not run it on a 3.4Ghz first gen i7. I will demo it again when it goes multicore.
I generally love D16's stuff.
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