Can the melody of my music already exist before i created it?

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arkmabat wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:Most Pop music is recyled progressions and riffs.
Pretty much every commercial tune I hear I instantly think of a bunch of other tunes you could easily mix it with due the ridiculous similarity.

Or maybe I have a level of Austistic musical memory lol

Most Art is plagiarism.

KVR is full of people trying to rip off there favourite artists
Learning is sort of plagiarism if you think about it. What's wrong with learning how someone did something? Do we not copy some of our parents' methods? Are we all copies of our parents?
I totally agree.
We are all gifted with creative thought to extend / manipulate what weve learned.
Just as Im natures creative result of my parents 'genetic' parameters.

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Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.

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Jedinhopy wrote:
Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.
hypothetically this could be true in a sense. but what if a melody is endless/infinite, or at least sufficiently long enough and without pattern or repetition?

it's like saying every single thought in a particular human language has already been thought by the "classical thinkers."

possibility is infinite, therefore i call BS here.

what if i wrote a melody that was seven million notes long? has that been done before? what about that same melody, with another 400,000 new notes tacked on the end?

even if we just take one bar of music... four beats. there are an infinite number of possibilities within that single bar. between the twelve tones of our diatonic system (plus trills, glissandos, slurs, tremolos and other articulations, double flats, double sharps, etc. if we are counting that) and the countless numbers of note lengths (dots, double dots, triplets, sextuplets, quintuplets, tied notes, fermatas, rests, etc.) the possibilities seem pretty endless.

and that's just for those 4 beats of a melody...

and why limit it to equal temperament?

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Jedinhopy wrote:
Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.
<every single melody> Why, that's just absurd. Why would 'equal temperament' be that kind of limiting factor? It would seem you don't know that serial dodecaphony is an expression of 12-equal to the octave, and perhaps its logical outcome?

Then, a definite component of melody is rhythm. Do you have a equally limited conception of this as well? How could your statement be valid once you have just a little more in terms of parameters to work out from?
It sounds like fabricating an excuse to be only ever utterly derivative, more than any thought or investigation, to me. Isn't it just self-defeating? Why bother.

I am relatively certain I have come up with melody that didn't pre-exist me, & that doesn't exceed 12 equal to an octave temperament.

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I didn't know how to phrase it with my broken english and incomplete musical knowledge.

Actually I just quoted an old friend who use to be a violin soloist player for classical music... Like 12 years before I went with him on a road trip, and I brought some CD of "electronic music" that I liked and thought it was quite evolved (some Goa actually). And he told me that he only hear lifeless bleeps and blops, and that there was nothing new in any melody he was hearing on my cd, and that anyway every single melody was already made before, as a part of longer pieces...

What I was trying to say to Jedinhopy is that it doesn't matter if his 4-bar loop contains same melody as in another song, because it probably was made many times before as just a snippet of a bigger music piece from the past :D

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It really happens... I've created the melody and chord progressions of Muse's Hysteria some year before that band..! LOL... :-D

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Jedinhopy wrote:All people want perfect notes in their songs.
Merzbow.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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Jedinhopy wrote:
Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.
Is this your explanation for your, erm, 'curious' thread history?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:All people want perfect notes in their songs.
Merzbow.
gezundheit!
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vurt wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:All people want perfect notes in their songs.
Merzbow.
gezundheit!
Kartoffelsalat!
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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well since the year 2000 everyone can read minds so none of our melodies are safe.
my music: http://www.alexcooperusa.com
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali

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whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:
Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.
Is this your explanation for your, erm, 'curious' thread history?
No.
ATS wrote:well since the year 2000 everyone can read minds so none of our melodies are safe.
My dreams contains interesting music that i forget about when i wake up.

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Jedinhopy wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:
Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.
Is this your explanation for your, erm, 'curious' thread history?
No.
so what is your explanation then?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:
Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.
Is this your explanation for your, erm, 'curious' thread history?
No.
so what is your explanation then?
That people use old song structures.

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Jedinhopy wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
Jedinhopy wrote:
Davias wrote:Every single melody in equal temperament was already written by the classical composers.
History repeats itself.
Is this your explanation for your, erm, 'curious' thread history?
No.
so what is your explanation then?
That people use old song structures.
and that's why the posts you make in the threads you create is so full of bizarre questions, non-sequiturs, and downright weird statements, is it?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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