Can the melody of my music already exist before i created it?

[Jedinhopy]

History repeats itself.

Is this your explanation for your, erm, 'curious' thread history?

No.

so what is your explanation then?

That people use old song structures.

and that's why the posts you make in the threads you create is so full of bizarre questions, non-sequiturs, and downright weird statements, is it?

I don't know.

[Sendy]

I didn't know how to phrase it with my broken english and incomplete musical knowledge.

Actually I just quoted an old friend who use to be a violin soloist player for classical music... Like 12 years before I went with him on a road trip, and I brought some CD of "electronic music" that I liked and thought it was quite evolved (some Goa actually). And he told me that he only hear lifeless bleeps and blops, and that there was nothing new in any melody he was hearing on my cd, and that anyway every single melody was already made before, as a part of longer pieces...

Wow, he sounds like a real party pooper. Not to mention intellectually lazy and unimaginative.

[osiris]

All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.....
-Battlestar Galactica

[dark_virus]

and that's why the posts you make in the threads you create is so full of bizarre questions, non-sequiturs, and downright weird statements, is it?

I don't know.

[Jedinhopy]

:trollolololololololol:

[jancivil]

I didn't know how to phrase it with my broken english and incomplete musical knowledge.

Actually I just quoted an old friend who use to be a violin soloist player for classical music... Like 12 years before I went with him on a road trip, and I brought some CD of "electronic music" that I liked and thought it was quite evolved (some Goa actually). And he told me that he only hear lifeless bleeps and blops, and that there was nothing new in any melody he was hearing on my cd, and that anyway every single melody was already made before, as a part of longer pieces...

Well, as far as I knew it was you stating something: 'every single melody' is not ambiguous. What you said goes in context with

Unique melodies are still possible.

Wrong notes are probably being hit in the sequence. Making the music sound out of tune with other instruments.

So, I should clarify that 'why bother' etc addresses more than just your remark.

I can't address that CD's content, of course. I wouldn't take someone as authoritative merely from their particular experience as 'classical musician'. There is a certain degree of mimicry in that form of musicianship and it occurred to me more than once that not a lot else was going on with some people. A significant artist OTOH has done some exploration and thinking in order to formulate her musical rhetoric in the piece.

What I was trying to say to Jedinhopy is that it doesn't matter if his 4-bar loop contains same melody as in another song, because it probably was made many times before as just a snippet of a bigger music piece from the past

Well, I was going to leave the whole thing alone except that the notion a new melody is impossible was reinforced one too many times for me.

I think 'I created it' is probably an overstatement of what went on in the first place, the whole context suggests more of someone happening upon a combination of notes that clicks out of memory rather than discovery, frankly.

[murnau]

more ridiculous then a troll? an unintentional troll.

[HaganeSteel]

I want to respond again, I just don't know what to say.

Music is mimicry. A lot of art is mimicry.

It's no big deal if it's fun and you're good at it.

Even if you did away with equal temperament and created what you thought was an entirely unique tuning and theory, you would still be mimicking people. The very act of doing what I just said is based on mimicry, and when you started composing in that new tuning and theory, you would more than likely find yourself still mimicking the music you love, at least in part.

Of all the arts, I think music is probably the one where mimicry matters the most. Mimicry and memory are two of the most important abilities a musician can possess.

I feel that music is also probably the art that lets me be the least creative too. But my whole purpose in music is not to be creative, but to master what others have done because I like learning. There is a certain fun that can be had from the mimicry.

Write the music that you're passionate about, man.

Two people have mimicked my work in the past, and I was extremely flattered. It made me feel like I had a positive influence on people.

It's human nature to mimic, and it's human nature to want to feel validated, and to want to contribute to the growth of others. Those three things I just said are why I compose music, because my musical idols helped me grow as a musician and as a person. I want to do the same for others.

[srv-musikmaker]

Ditch it and try to make another. You know it really helps if you play guitar (or even piano). You can make so many permutations to your 'simple' 'common' melody and it's sound great. Or I can make melodies for you.

Also listen to 'smooth jazz' or Yngwie Malmsteen solos at 25% speed.

[jancivil]

Even if you did away with equal temperament and created what you thought was an entirely unique tuning and theory, you would still be mimicking people. The very act of doing what I just said is based on mimicry, and when you started composing in that new tuning and theory, you would more than likely find yourself still mimicking the music you love, at least in part.

Of all the arts, I think music is probably the one where mimicry matters the most. Mimicry and memory are two of the most important abilities a musician can possess.

I feel that music is also probably the art that lets me be the least creative too. But my whole purpose in music is not to be creative, but to master what others have done because I like learning. There is a certain fun that can be had from the mimicry.

Here is this brightly drawn dichotomy between creating, and referring to or building on what came before. Evidently the very word 'mimic' set you off. You seem to be proposing or moving towards a definition of 'creative' that I think isn't going to travel so well, out of that unnecessary, read false, dichotomy. My remarks place in the context of this notion 'new melody, don't even bother, not possible'.

Out of this, you construct this reaction out of straw (I mean it doesn't seem like something you'd say out of a real experience): 'created what you thought was an entirely unique tuning'.

All I said about twelve-equal-to-the-octave is that it, itself isn't the limiter you seemed to want it to be in that gesture. Which I found suspect, and to no real point.

However there was eg., Harry Partch who did create his own rational intonations towards something he wanted to hear, himself, as an individual, something new. If I use a Partch tuning, it isn't because I want to mimic Partch. I will have an idea it suits or doesn't. It's some vocabulary.

I do go outside 12ET to begin with as a guitarist bending strings, as does any wind instrument player that seeks a concord with the ensemble that is more natural than 12ET provides. To seek and go outside it doesn't have to be a sign of pretentiousness. 12ET did not always exist. It makes compromises some people would like to move past. I want to hear things it does not provide, via the so-called microtuning area. I have my own ideas in my own exploration, in my own composition.

I felt at a fairly early stage in my development that I was hearing things my own way. I even believed I had imagined some things I had not exactly *heard* before.
No one acts in a vacuum and it is an absurd notion to seek to be aloof from influence and emulation, but thank you Captain Obvious. My impetus may be to work in an area people are familiar with or not; I'll emulate the models that suit the musical argument I want to make but I have been considered to sound like me.


I am interested in melody. I felt I could have my own voice. If you do not feel you can, it's not my worry. It looked like you were at least reinforcing what others were saying about the impossibility of originality. I found that suspect. It's good to individuate, I think; and I think it's better to realize that you talking about you won't necessarily travel as though it is a universal truth.

[debra1rlo]

:trollolololololololol:

Anyone miss this??? ^^^^

Obvious troll was obvious... again.

[vurt]

melody is so last millenia it hurtses us!

[Jedinhopy]

I can make melodies for you.

They should be as good as these midi files:
http://www71.zippyshare.com/v/94233942/file.html

[srv-musikmaker]

I can make melodies for you.

They should be as good as these midi files:
http://www71.zippyshare.com/v/94233942/file.html

Too many layers. Sounds really classical. I'll pass on this one.

[Jedinhopy]

I can make melodies for you.

They should be as good as these midi files:
http://www71.zippyshare.com/v/94233942/file.html

Too many layers. Sounds really classical. I'll pass on this one.

Thanks.