Can the melody of my music already exist before i created it?

[trimph1]

:trollolololololololol:

Anyone miss this??? ^^^^

Obvious troll was obvious... again.

And yet able to continue posting...

The Artist as Servant ... mmmm... are we back to the starving artist scenario?

[jancivil]

I'll be honest: I didn't read half of what you said. What I did read was totally asinine. Please don't take offense to that: I don't disagree with you. My original post was pretty much agreeing with you (and I'm saying you probably misunderstood me here).

Mimicry is a good thing.

so, you're going to read enough to be put off and retaliate by insult, and then mamby pamby about following that? It's clear enough to me that by the frequency of 'mimicry', and by bolding emphasis, that you seized on the word in my post in order to launch into that.
It's neutral; it's good to a point, it's obviously a necessary starting point but I mentioned a context where it's not enough. And I took the effort to convey that to you. I don't like the way you write at all, either, you know.

I see a lot of people struggle for legitimacy with their music, myself included, and that's why I responded.

Legitimacy doesn't just come from what you do, it also comes from how others view what you do. If one of these is lacking, an artist will probably struggle for legitimacy.

I would use the words 'approbation', 'approval' rather than 'legitimacy'. We are not in agreement on this point. I would not consider you the proper arbiter for my legitimacy right now, not after what you've written. It wouldn't mean anything one way or the other, your assessment. I don't make music for someone else unless they're paying me.

There are people that can gauge what they do without appeal to a lower common denominator. If the amount of approval from others is the marker for 'success', mediocrity enjoys a high value assessment, doesn't it? So for you a person needs the other people to gauge the validity of their own thing? Not everybody is you, again. That's just your opinion and I'm happy not to have that issue.

[Davias]

I didn't know how to phrase it with my broken english and incomplete musical knowledge.

Actually I just quoted an old friend who use to be a violin soloist player for classical music... Like 12 years before I went with him on a road trip, and I brought some CD of "electronic music" that I liked and thought it was quite evolved (some Goa actually). And he told me that he only hear lifeless bleeps and blops, and that there was nothing new in any melody he was hearing on my cd, and that anyway every single melody was already made before, as a part of longer pieces...

Wow, he sounds like a real party pooper. Not to mention intellectually lazy and unimaginative.

I think he was feeling like the elite, playing concertos with orchestra n stuff ^^ I can understand.

[jancivil]

Being an artist is being a public servant. It really goes far and beyond being creative for me.

That's ironically quite a self-stroking remark if you ask me. It puts you supposedly in this sort of moral, lofty cloud. I think it's bullshit.

I don't feel like I owe some vague collective 'the public' a f**king thing in doing music. A lot of people have no ear for music, no real interest in it, prefer rubbish, while I care about little else and have devoted my life to it. This is like some faux communism here. I could't agree less with that.

[srv-musikmaker]

Public servant with ingenuity and self-contentment or whatever pleases you or drives you to makes music.

[debra1rlo]

:trollolololololololol:

Anyone miss this??? ^^^^

Obvious troll was obvious... again.

And yet able to continue posting...

The Artist as Servant ... mmmm... are we back to the starving artist scenario?

I thought it meant one was so eager to please the public that they would give blow jobs in exchange for acknowledgement/recognition.

[jancivil]

I saw an article regarding the streaming *services* Spotify, et al that was primarily about artists that were opting out of it as more or less useless. Not paying off for shit and they were already well known; some of whom had never agreed to be put on the service.

There were a number of comments to this, one of which went off on a little rant portraying people that wanted to sell 'art' as corrupt and greedy, "the real price of all art is zero because the artist should be happy with being able to share for free". They wanted anyone that wanted to be reimbursed for product to 'go bust'.

I'm not playing that. If you want me to blow you, pay me really f**king well for it. 'The public'; which public? If I'm going to be a socialist, I want people to get fed and have their illnesses attended to. I'll work in the soup kitchen, I'll be a triage nurse, but f**k it I'm not making music for you or you or you, you're on your f**king own.

[Davias]

I like the way the thread is going

Jedinhopy is a real artist to launch interesting discussions

[Andywanders]

The major and minor chords are bad to use then because all chord progressions has already been used by all artists.

So true that. Best to stick to chromatic chords - they're not used much.

[jancivil]

I would love the world to be community-oriented. it isn't. while we are all connected, too many people have a self-serving argument regarding their relationship to the whole. We want no one to enforce their rights on youtube, it's an inconvenience when something isn't instantly available.
If a modest (rather than infinitesimal) percentage of people would consider the dollar asking point for a track a donation, as a communal gesture, I would have a different outlook. It's less than a Snickers®. I don't expect to make money really, but I am cognizant of the one-sidedness of 'sharing'.
But no. You'll go out and put five bucks into a big dessert coffee at Starbucks or Peets, but a musician is an asshole for understanding they have overhead. Ask the barrista one time if you can't just have the thing for nothing.

This one guy in Russia contacted me on the Facebook presenting himself as a disciple; with a compilation, styled after Zappa's Leather. But he never bought one track, he went to some length to obtain degraded copies, I donno, off a Russian server? Thanks, comrade. Now what, a few hundred Russians have experienced my grandeur, sort of. But maybe they have new found hope for music.

This has gone on as long as I've been in the world. Musicians and artists are magical creatures that should be happy floating about in the aether, making everyone happy.

[BertKoor]

I recall some sculptor once said:

• The sculpture was already there. I just remove the stone around it

Isn't it the same with music?

[fmr]

I didn't know how to phrase it with my broken english and incomplete musical knowledge.

Actually I just quoted an old friend who use to be a violin soloist player for classical music... Like 12 years before I went with him on a road trip, and I brought some CD of "electronic music" that I liked and thought it was quite evolved (some Goa actually). And he told me that he only hear lifeless bleeps and blops, and that there was nothing new in any melody he was hearing on my cd, and that anyway every single melody was already made before, as a part of longer pieces...

Wow, he sounds like a real party pooper. Not to mention intellectually lazy and unimaginative.

I think he was feeling like the elite, playing concertos with orchestra n stuff ^^ I can understand.

I think he was feeling like someone who knows a lot of music, from different eras, and is able to recognize influences to the point of mimicry in what others find "originality". Of course, the part of "bleeps and blops" sounds like prejudice, and the remaining assessment is somehow a caricature.

[nix808]

I recall some sculptor once said:

• The sculpture was already there. I just remove the stone around it

Isn't it the same with music?

I guess if ur into subtractive synths. There certainly is some atmosphere to work with 8D

[vurt]

I didn't know how to phrase it with my broken english and incomplete musical knowledge.

Actually I just quoted an old friend who use to be a violin soloist player for classical music... Like 12 years before I went with him on a road trip, and I brought some CD of "electronic music" that I liked and thought it was quite evolved (some Goa actually). And he told me that he only hear lifeless bleeps and blops, and that there was nothing new in any melody he was hearing on my cd, and that anyway every single melody was already made before, as a part of longer pieces...

Wow, he sounds like a real party pooper. Not to mention intellectually lazy and unimaginative.

I think he was feeling like the elite, playing concertos with orchestra n stuff ^^ I can understand.

I think he was feeling like someone who knows a lot of music, from different eras, and is able to recognize influences to the point of mimicry in what others find "originality". Of course, the part of "bleeps and blops" sounds like prejudice, and the remaining assessment is somehow a caricature.

feeling like something and being something are two very different things.

i spent a lot of time a few years back with a big orchestra.
quite often after rehearsals some of them (mainly brass and percussionists) would drag us (the sound engineers) out to a club that played trance and techno. i say "drag" they would offer us alcohol and/or sexual favours

not all classical musicians are so elitist that they cannot see the good in modern music.
some are, but theyre usually pricks anyway, not just in regards to music.

[VariKusBrainZ]

I recall some sculptor once said:

• The sculpture was already there. I just remove the stone around it

Isn't it the same with music?

Music is an additive process, sculpting stone is subtractive.

Unless youre starting with a block of noise and chipping away at it.