Illegal Release of my software: VIRUS WARNING (Maybe a SCAM)

[whyterabbyt]

But they can't measure the result.

I think they can measure it a damn sight better than the individuals who are blatantly just making stuff up.

Maybe they waste there money for the dongle protection. If dongles would be the only way to stay in business, why are there great companies that persist without them (like U-HE for example).

Noone has said its the only way to stay in business. The claim being made was that its not a way to stay in business in the first place, which is clearly not true.

But, like I already said, u-he put a fair amount of effort into their own protection systems. So the 'dongle or not' is a false dilemma.

I think most dongled plugs are just overpriced (maybe because of the dongle?)

I often feel that that's the source of biggest prejudice against dongled plugins. Its the regular KVR 'anything I cant easily afford is intrinsically too expensive' thing, intensified.

Again, the 'it should cost less' thing typically gets done without the actual accounting books in front of the claimant. With all due respect, I suspect that somewhere with teams of PhDs working with MatLab and Visual Studio is going to wind up having to charge a little bit more than someone using a copy of Synthedit on a part-time basis, whether they use dongles or not.
But, of course, we're in the land of "I want leading edge DSP research in plugins doing absolutely perfect emulations of every cool analog synth and hardware effects unit ever, and I want it now, but all Im prepared to pay is $50 each or you're ripping me off". And that's ridiculous too.

[BBFG#]

Certainly, the business that would fail without the dongle are those making them. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some day that Warez sites are actually a PACE run ploy, designed to instill fear into the developer.

Like antivirus companies, there's always the belief they create the problem as well as design the 'solution'.

[whyterabbyt]

Certainly, the business that would fail without the dongle are those making them. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some day that Warez sites are actually a PACE run ploy, designed to instill fear into the developer.

Like antivirus companies, there's always the belief they create the problem as well as design the 'solution'.

Didn't we already have a thread for ludicrous paranoid conspiracies ? And when I say 'a' thread, I mean 'f**king millions of them'

[BBFG#]

Certainly, the business that would fail without the dongle are those making them. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some day that Warez sites are actually a PACE run ploy, designed to instill fear into the developer.

Like antivirus companies, there's always the belief they create the problem as well as design the 'solution'.

Didn't we already have a thread for ludicrous paranoid conspiracies ? And when I say 'a' thread, I mean 'f**king millions of them'

Ha, yes in deed! And they always start the same and go in the same direction, leading to the same place!

Hence, my application of the &

But let's face it, this thread started with conspiracies in piracies and righteous indignations and was destined from the beginning to arrive here.

[chk071]

But let's face it, this thread started with conspiracies in piracies and righteous indignations and was destined from the beginning to arrive here.

Yes, because people unfortunately rather point their fingers at the big, bad companies, instead of starting by themselves by not buying products when they're not content with the copy protection. And of course, the people ranting about this stuff on internet forums, is also a "special selection".

[highkoo]

Hows this for wild theories;

The longer Satin goes uncracked, the more danger there is that U-he licenses his protection to every other dev and retires.

[BBFG#]

But let's face it, this thread started with conspiracies in piracies and righteous indignations and was destined from the beginning to arrive here.

Yes, because people unfortunately rather point their fingers at the big, bad companies, instead of starting by themselves by not buying products when they're not content with the copy protection. And of course, the people ranting about this stuff on internet forums, is also a "special selection".

As I said, the companies are at fault when they don't tell you this upfront.
It's not as bad when they at least tell you during checkout you're going to need that too. (Dongle&Driver). But this last year I bought something swearing they don't use the system, but that all sales were final and that upon receiving it, found it did use the PACE Driver (without the dongle). Yeah, I feel ripped off. That's the only 'conspiracy' I feel. If they're proud to use it, list it on the very first page with their product instead of sneaking it in later.

Personally, I tend to gravitate away from any software that utilizes fear and its necessity to incorporate it into the design as a selling point.
And any company not ethical enough to tell you they use this system up front instead of waiting for you to add it to the cart or worse, not until you've taken delivery, is not ethical enough to be a company I want to deal with. Including a complete disclosure on its requirements on your system. That's essentially fraudulent in my book.

What I see, is two sides, each calling the other dishonest. And it invariably makes them such by each others viewpoint.

[chk071]

As I said, the companies are at fault when they don't tell you this upfront.
It's not as bad when they at least tell you during checkout you're going to need that too. (Dongle&Driver). But this last year I bought something swearing they don't use the system, but that all sales were final and that upon receiving it, found it did use the PACE Driver (without the dongle). Yeah, I feel ripped off. That's the only 'conspiracy' I feel. If they're proud to use it, list it on the very first page with their product instead of sneaking it in later.

I'm wondering atm how i got hold off the info, that Steinberg uses dongles for their Products before i bought Cubase Elements. Can't remember really... i only know that i knew for it quite a long time, before i finally bought a product from them. But then, you get the information when you dump Cubase in your shopping basket on their website. You're right, a serious company should do so before you check out. But honestly, when you buy a 600 € product, don't you inform yourself a bit about it? I do for sure..

[BBFG#]

As I said, the companies are at fault when they don't tell you this upfront.
It's not as bad when they at least tell you during checkout you're going to need that too. (Dongle&Driver). But this last year I bought something swearing they don't use the system, but that all sales were final and that upon receiving it, found it did use the PACE Driver (without the dongle). Yeah, I feel ripped off. That's the only 'conspiracy' I feel. If they're proud to use it, list it on the very first page with their product instead of sneaking it in later.

I'm wondering atm how i got hold off the info, that Steinberg uses dongles for their Products before i bought Cubase Elements. Can't remember really... i only know that i knew for it quite a long time, before i finally bought a product from them. But then, you get the information when you dump Cubase in your shopping basket on their website. You're right, a serious company should do so before you check out. But honestly, when you buy a 600 € product, don't you inform yourself a bit about it? I do for sure..

Well, it depends on how well they're able to avoid the topic. And many of them are really good at it, even when you ask them directly.

I used to use the eLicense myself until a hard drive failure caused me to request a new authorization, After three months of being ignored and having to use Cubase 4SE while I was waiting and hoping for them to do it, I finally gave up and started looking for another DAW (I used Cubase, in one form or another for over fifteen years before that). I don't know what software they use now to run it, but it seems far less worse than iLok/PACE, which I now know has a 'driver' that runs more background services than a wifi does. This is what kills it for me. This last developer kept emailing me and assuring me that they eliminated the iLok dongle and had no association with the company. Then when I found it did, basically emailed me to just deal with it, I bought it, and that was it.

I understand the need to deal with theft. My only hatred of the product, besides a company not disclosing its use from the start is:
It takes a precious USB port and in some cases it requires to run your system for its use above yours and reauthorization can mean the end to any further relationship. Eliminate those four things and it eliminates the debate from me. And I know they've been striving to make reauthorizing easier. But surely, this view only brings up the justifications of why they won't on the other two. The first, they still simply ignore.

[xNiMiNx]

Hows this for wild theories;

The longer Satin goes uncracked, the more danger there is that U-he licenses his protection to every other dev and retires.

That would be awsome, to end piracy, but then companies who create bad products wont have piracy to blame for poor sales, theyll have to just suck it up and admit the masses dont want their 'goods'.

Edit: To be clear im not referring to any specific dev or company in my comment.

[asnor]

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit...

[highkoo]

Shyeah.
The Company has invested trillions of space bucks in that terraforming installation.
Ripley is still paying off the Nostromo.

[WOK]

Its rather sad, at least for me to see a developper bashing other developpers on the only criteria that they use other protection methods than the one he uses himself.

I am not bashing anyone, just telling my opinion. Other developers can do what they want, I'm not chastising anyone.

Then, sadness also comes when this developper is so misinformed and only concerned by his own POV that he will spread some false informations. Not only some dongled products remain unviolated, but also some products protected with simple serials, like some Xils units...

The percentage of uncracked software is VERY small. I did not say I am doing officialy dertermined statistics here.

This is just specualtion from your part.

Yes. Did I say something else?

If I were you I would simply post on the eventual benefits of the method you choose to use, rather than bashing other devs and their methods. All protection methods have their pros and their cons, including the 'no protection' ones. The fact that there are successfull companies that employ very different methods ( from dongle to no protection) should eventually lead people to think that there might be something else involved in the success of aa company than just "protection schemes" . Maybe its talent, maybe its marketing, maybe its management, maybe its a mix a all that, and eventually more than that, with other things, like matching the expectations of their users. But only protection ? I honnestly dont think so.
Sorry, but you just lost a bit of the total natural empathy I had for you.

I think you just did not understand what I wrote.
Or you are taking it personally. Don't know 
If telling personal opinions is "bashing" now, maybe this forum needs to close.....

[WOK]

Certainly, the business that would fail without the dongle are those making them. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some day that Warez sites are actually a PACE run ploy, designed to instill fear into the developer.

Like antivirus companies, there's always the belief they create the problem as well as design the 'solution'.

Didn't we already have a thread for ludicrous paranoid conspiracies ? And when I say 'a' thread, I mean 'f**king millions of them'

Mmmh - the same paranoia like from these strange people who said that the NSA is monitoring all our communication?

[WOK]

As I said, the companies are at fault when they don't tell you this upfront.
It's not as bad when they at least tell you during checkout you're going to need that too. (Dongle&Driver). But this last year I bought something swearing they don't use the system, but that all sales were final and that upon receiving it, found it did use the PACE Driver (without the dongle). Yeah, I feel ripped off. That's the only 'conspiracy' I feel. If they're proud to use it, list it on the very first page with their product instead of sneaking it in later.
Personally, I tend to gravitate away from any software that utilizes fear and its necessity to incorporate it into the design as a selling point.
And any company not ethical enough to tell you they use this system up front instead of waiting for you to add it to the cart or worse, not until you've taken delivery, is not ethical enough to be a company I want to deal with. Including a complete disclosure on its requirements on your system. That's essentially fraudulent in my book.
What I see, is two sides, each calling the other dishonest. And it invariably makes them such by each others viewpoint.
I used to use the eLicense myself until a hard drive failure caused me to request a new authorization, After three months of being ignored and having to use Cubase 4SE while I was waiting and hoping for them to do it, I finally gave up and started looking for another DAW (I used Cubase, in one form or another for over fifteen years before that). I don't know what software they use now to run it, but it seems far less worse than iLok/PACE, which I now know has a 'driver' that runs more background services than a wifi does. This is what kills it for me. This last developer kept emailing me and assuring me that they eliminated the iLok dongle and had no association with the company. Then when I found it did, basically emailed me to just deal with it, I bought it, and that was it.
I understand the need to deal with theft. My only hatred of the product, besides a company not disclosing its use from the start is:
It takes a precious USB port and in some cases it requires to run your system for its use above yours and reauthorization can mean the end to any further relationship. Eliminate those four things and it eliminates the debate from me. And I know they've been striving to make reauthorizing easier. But surely, this view only brings up the justifications of why they won't on the other two. The first, they still simply ignore.

This.