Diva DCO not phase locked?
- KVRAF
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Load 'INIT Alpha' with the following settings:
- select the sawtooth wave and deselect pulse
- Detune Amt 0, Voice Drift 0
- voice stack to 2 with the second voice tuned exactly one octave above the first
Play a note and notice that the two voices drift in and out of phase (the oscilloscope confirms this).
Does this replicate the behaviour of the real thing?
Either way, it would be nice to have the option to phase lock the octaves as per string machine divide down oscillator behaviour.
- select the sawtooth wave and deselect pulse
- Detune Amt 0, Voice Drift 0
- voice stack to 2 with the second voice tuned exactly one octave above the first
Play a note and notice that the two voices drift in and out of phase (the oscilloscope confirms this).
Does this replicate the behaviour of the real thing?
Either way, it would be nice to have the option to phase lock the octaves as per string machine divide down oscillator behaviour.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Kriminal wrote:Osc phase sync is in latest beta...hidden away in trimmers or mods...cant remember where
Presumably later than Rev1973?
That works for me.really needs to be a simple on/off switch in osc section
- u-he
- 30247 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Original DCOs are phase locked, but to a 1,98 MHz Clock, divided down by two counters. The resolution of the DCOs is so that lower octaves hit the desired frequency more precisely and thus playing two notes an octave apart has some beating.
To obtain exact tuning we would have to do a .tun file and set all drift/voice settings to zero. We haven't done that tune file yet, because it wasn't necessary for a realistic enough feel.
To obtain exact tuning we would have to do a .tun file and set all drift/voice settings to zero. We haven't done that tune file yet, because it wasn't necessary for a realistic enough feel.
- KVRAF
- 26995 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
hakey wrote:Kriminal wrote:Osc phase sync is in latest beta...hidden away in trimmers or mods...cant remember where
Presumably later than Rev1973?
It's been there for quite a while... and it works for any of the osc models
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Original DCOs are phase locked, but to a 1,98 MHz Clock, divided down by two counters. The resolution of the DCOs is so that lower octaves hit the desired frequency more precisely and thus playing two notes an octave apart has some beating.
Okay, so that's true to the behaviour of the source synth. Fair enough.
I only noticed whilst trying to emulate a Solina type string synth. And for that, afaik (at least, according to various discussions on the subject), you really need hard phase lock.We haven't done that tune file yet, because it wasn't necessary for a realistic enough feel.
That's phase reset, not phase lock.pdxindy wrote:It's been there for quite a while... and it works for any of the osc models
- u-he
- 30247 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Measure the pitch of each note of a Juno 60 and write it down in a .tun file. It's tedious work.hakey wrote:Urs wrote:To obtain exact tuning we would have to do a .tun file
So, how would I go about doing this?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Hmm... unless I'm missing something, I don't want to replicate the exact, imperfect phase-lock tuning of a Juno.Urs wrote:Measure the pitch of each note of a Juno 60 and write it down in a .tun file. It's tedious work.hakey wrote:Urs wrote:To obtain exact tuning we would have to do a .tun file
So, how would I go about doing this?
Is there a way, .tun file or otherwise, for me to replicate the 'perfect', non-smeary, between-octave/interval phase-locking behaviour that a string machine such as a Solina supposedly exhibits?
- u-he
- 30247 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Oh that... no, there isn't.hakey wrote:Hmm... unless I'm missing something, I don't want to replicate the exact, imperfect phase-lock tuning of a Juno.Urs wrote:Measure the pitch of each note of a Juno 60 and write it down in a .tun file. It's tedious work.hakey wrote:Urs wrote:To obtain exact tuning we would have to do a .tun file
So, how would I go about doing this?
Is there a way, .tun file or otherwise, for me to replicate the 'perfect', non-smeary, between-octave/interval phase-locking behaviour that a string machine such as a Solina supposedly exhibits?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Okay.Urs wrote:Oh that... no, there isn't.hakey wrote:Is there a way, .tun file or otherwise, for me to replicate the 'perfect', non-smeary, between-octave/interval phase-locking behaviour that a string machine such as a Solina supposedly exhibits?
I know this won't be high up the FR list (probably won't make it at all) but here's a request for a string synth style DDO in Diva.
- u-he
- 30247 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Haha.
Well, here's my last word on the subject: take that 3 band resonator that was going to find its way into Z3 and turn it into a Diva module or effect, add a dual oscillator DDO and paraphonic mode, and that's string machines and the Polymoog covered.
Well, here's my last word on the subject: take that 3 band resonator that was going to find its way into Z3 and turn it into a Diva module or effect, add a dual oscillator DDO and paraphonic mode, and that's string machines and the Polymoog covered.
