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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:31 pm

jancivil wrote:VB3 is alright. I think it got to be seriously overrated vis a vis this forum.

Nope, and it's not just this forum.

VO is missing some crucial elements of Hammond behaviour, because it's sampled, not generated.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:38 pm

So my opinion is wrong? I think we've already rehearsed this. Your theory is correct so my ears must be invalid.

I think the theory doesn't necessarily drive everyone's opinion. I have it. I've heard it. I'm fine [nonplussed] with you believing you're hearing something I'm missing, if it comes down to that.

as far as usefulness there are people looking for more than that little GUI provides, and it does not sound <more like an organ> To Me.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:48 pm

I did not say your opinion is wrong, I said that I disagree how VB3 is seriously overrated - that's the part that I quoted. If you go elsewhere you will find a lot of other people holding VB3 in very high regard, whereas VO is not quite on the same par.

It's completely fine if you're satisfied with an IMHO inferior product - by all means, knock yourself out!

During that time, I (and lots of others) will be playing with the IMHO superior product. All is well with the world.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:50 pm

Ok, you want to be argumentative, you said and I quote 'nope' rather than 'I disagree', as if stating a fact.

You can have the internet warrior victory, I must surrender: what you like is superior purely through your golden theory and the bulletproof arguments you have made for it.

No_Use · Post by **No_Use** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:51 pm

There's also this rather old one

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep04/a ... harlie.htm

Anyone has it or tested it and can comment ?

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:16 pm

No_Use wrote:There's also this rather old one

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep04/a ... harlie.htm

Anyone has it or tested it and can comment ?

I have never tested it. I don't know...

Hmmm... Look at the conclusion at the bottom of his page:

Anyone looking for a collection of instant Hammond sounds will find Charlie a useful addition to their armoury, but anyone looking for true playable authenticity may well be a little disappointed with some of the performance aspects.

And now, look at the title of the page where he talks about VB3:

3 vital plug-ins

Wow! Have you seen the title?

And now, look at the conclusion of the part related to VB3 (This part):

If you're looking for an alternative to the established fare, VB3 is a must-have purchase. Prepare yourself for a treat — you may even decide to mothball your current Hammond plug-in.

Who said that VB3 is overrated? Hmmm ?

evilantal · Post by **evilantal** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:33 pm

FYI
UVI Retro Organs is essentially USB Charlie repackaged for the UVI engine...

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:52 pm

evilantal wrote:FYI
UVI Retro Organs is essentially USB Charlie repackaged for the UVI engine...

As I remember, Charlie is completely sampled and has to crossfade between the two sampled Leslie speeds. So that magical moment when the bass baffle and the horns accelerate/decelerate at different rates is conspicuous by its absence.

I wouldn't bother.

/Joachim

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:55 am

I've tried your organ, and I can honestly say I prefer my organ...

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:00 am

kbaccki wrote:I've tried your organ, and I can honestly say I prefer my organ...

Hem... Whose organ do you speak, kbaccki?

Spitfire31's? evilantal's? Mine? No_Use's? Quietinthedark's?

uh.... fluffy_little_something's?

Whose?

electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:35 am

Sampling is not the right solution for Tonewheel Organs and Paraphonic String Machines because they both require phase locked Oscillators.

MickRolland · Post by **MickRolland** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:36 pm

I very much agree with BlackWinny's comprehensive list and opinions. I have not purchased the VB3, but its demo is great and I am planning to buy it (if the V-Machine I have just bought works).
I have NI's B4 II, which is really fine but crashed quite frequently and was CPU-heavy in my old computer -but its real problem is the relatively cumbersome authorization procedure. The B4 II's big plus were its effects, which I used for other instruments. I don't like samplers so I am not planning to buy
Vintage Organs.
I would say that within the freebies the AZR3 is quite nice and the DSK is best avoided, but I was positively surprised by Iliadis Euthymia organ. It is the best of the three freeware ones.

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:59 pm

Like a lot of folks here, I miss the old B4. You could actually 'age' the tonewheels on it!

NI's Vintage is OK, but, in the end, sampled.

Someone earlier mentioned Halion5/Halionsonic2 Model C which is definitely a keeper, though pricey if you only want that plug.

My current favorite organ patches for playing are, believe it or not, on SynthMaster2. A lot of synths try to throw in an organ or two, but there's a selection here with a Leslie approximation on the MOD wheel that sounds spot on for the embellishments that I need. And they are very playable/tweakable. If you already have Synthmaster2 or have picked it up in the recent sales, check it out.

-B

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:27 pm

Bump it

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:35 pm

Delete

Is there a serious competitor to GSI VB3?