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Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:50 pm

nix808 wrote:Another steady pulse in EDM is the psy dugga dugga,

Not to mention the gated chords in Trance: Boogaday Boogaday Boogaday

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:51 pm

nix808 wrote:You can move to the other stuff going on in the music too,
if the stomp gets old.

I think people used to other forms of music are looking for dynamics in the wrong place ...

t3toooo · Post by **t3toooo** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:48 am

ZenPunkHippy wrote:

99% of the people I know who love 4-to-the-floor dance music also love other types of music (both electronic and acoustic).

So it's not mutually exclusive, and I don't see the point in creating a division between those who do and those who don't.

Peace,
Andy.

the question appears who makes a division.

being open for all styles of music is a joy.
the only criticism would be to separate music in genres,a good example would be jazz.

this is in german,
interestingly Trilok said he is a musician from india and shaped by his culture but he is sadly only playing at jazz festivals-nowadays.

btw,it wasn't like this some decades ago (it only got worse).

regarding the edm term.
well,it's obviously not only the listener who make a division but also the booker.
the chance to get played in a commercial venue without 4 to the floor is 0.

ZenPunkHippy wrote: I think people used to other forms of music are looking for dynamics in the wrong place ...

why? there is a peak at 0 and all in between is utilizable.

anyway,i've invented a new genre."backward-step"

gnosis123 · Post by **gnosis123** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:15 am

t3toooo wrote:well,it's obviously not only the listener who make a division but also the booker.
the chance to get played in a commercial venue without 4 to the floor is 0.

It is amazing how little of the huge territory (rhythmic, harmonic, timbral, etc) opened up by today's synths makes it into commercial music. Instead of widening out, it seems to have narrowed. Fortunately, at the fringes, the opposite seems to be true…

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:14 pm

Mister Natural wrote:quite serious in my question as I'm looking at a crossroads here : embrace or reject ?

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:54 pm

Should we embrace or reject minor chords?

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:54 pm

Should we embrace or reject EQ?

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:55 pm

Should we embrace or reject VSTs?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:48 pm

V0RT3X wrote:I think 4 on the floor is a very very quick and easy rhythm for everyone to catch on to which is why it is so popular.

As for a definition in music: It isn't a rhythm. It's just a pulse.

EG: <a "movement marked by the regulated succession of strong and weak elements, or of opposite or different conditions.">

even a broader definition will provide:
"a repeated pattern of movement or sound"

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:52 pm

I haven't tried to dance to a definition...sounds iffy tbh.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:54 pm

IncarnateX wrote:I am amazed how you all discuss this with no consideration about what is on top of the rhythm. FTTF as four bd beats on 1, 5, 9 and 13 exists in many genres may it be folkmusic, rock, techno or dance. Does this mean that if you reject/embrace it, it is with regard to all musical contexts in which it is used?

I am responding to a particular context. It means to me in context all four beats of 4/4 time hammered in a heavily amplified 'kick drum' application. It makes me uncomfortable psychologically and physically.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:56 pm

ariston wrote:I haven't tried to dance to a definition...sounds iffy tbh.

That is an 'iffy' use of language; does it get rid of the meanings of words or is it you just didn't like seeing it. Where did I say YOU need a rhythm to dance? So you can't be just dancing to a beat?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:02 pm

ZenPunkHippy wrote: I think people used to other forms of music are looking for dynamics in the wrong place...

Who's looking? I notice the severe lack of it and other musical values and I don't like that. But tell me what I feel about something is wrong some more, keep inventing ways for it to be.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:08 pm

Ariston wrote:I don't get the question. Why reject something like FTTF? It's a musical ingredient, among thousands of other musical ingredients. Isn't music about expressing yourself? Why would you want to limit yourself?
Weird.

I think someone that cooks rejects ingredients with every recipe. I'm pretty sure I know what the OP is saying with the term and it isn't this broad thing you want to argue.
But as you like: isn't choosing to do it limiting yourself?

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:08 pm

jancivil wrote:
ariston wrote:I haven't tried to dance to a definition...sounds iffy tbh.
That is an 'iffy' use of language; does it get rid of the meanings of words or is it you just didn't like seeing it. Where did I say YOU need a rhythm to dance? So you can't be just dancing to a beat?

You seem to be a very literal person. I was being ironic. Meaning: you can think about rhythm and beat and definitions all day long... or, you can just move your body. I don't know how I did it, but I can totally shut out my theoretical knowledge about music and just take it for what it is. A pounding 4/4 bass drum feels very compelling. My theoretical brain says: "dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb", but, to quote Arcade Fire: "My body is a cage that keeps me from dancing with the one I love, but my mind holds the key". So I let my simian brain take over and I just enjoy the ride. It's not one I choose to take all the time, but it's okay when it happens.

Reject or Embrace Four to the Floor ?