Synapse Audio Dune 2

[kmonkey]

At the end DUNE is still a great synth IMO so all the best for v2.

Ingo

+1

I reviewed v1 for the Soundbytes magazine

Indeed. And Richard is amazing developer..

[fmr]

In Dune 1 you are able to program the 8 Unison voices differently using the mod matrix. This is where the name DUNE comes from (= Differntial Unison Engine). I guess it is the same here?
In Xils Lab Synthix you could program 8 voices of the Unison differently too which in the "worst case" ends up with being duophonic as there is a 16 voices limit.
Ingo

Well, then I have to insist. THIS is not like 8 synths. BTW - The voice differentiation is also present in DIVA, as well as it is, for example, in Op-X Pro II (and even in the free ObxD), althoug probably we are not talking of the same thing here. Neither of the mentioned says it's like having eight synths.
Layers, OTOH, are a different thing, and THAT is indeed like having a different synth per layer.
IMO, of course, and in no way meaning DUNE is not a great synth

[digitalboytn]

Does the new version have dual filters and can it load single cycle waveforms ?

yes, but like on Roland analogue synth simpler : no env, no modulation
but don't forget Dune2 has 8 voices, it's like 8 synths so if you need 3 filters set the number of voice to 3 and adjust your filter

I meant does it have two separate filters...Dual filters that are independent of each other and can be run in series or parallel...

Can DUNE 2 load single cycle waveforms ?

Thanks...

[carrieres]

Can DUNE 2 load single cycle waveforms ?
Thanks...

yes DUNE 2 Can load single cycle waveforms.

[carrieres]

yes, but like on Roland analogue synth simpler : no env, no modulation

they run in series

[Kriminal]

BTW i was part of the beta team for DUNE 1 but for some reasons i did not apply for the Dune 2 testing, even if i still got access to the beta forum (downloaded the beta but could not use with my Dune 1 serial).
One important reason is that it turned out that it is not possible for me to cooperate with Kriminal and Teksonik (which is no secret at KVR...) who are very present at the Synapse Audio beta forum. Another is that i got enough other stuff to do at te moment.
At my Waldorf Pulse 2 thread Kriminal due to some remaining bugs more or less mentioned that some beta testers only particiapate to get a free synth but not to help fixing bugs. Based on that i would ask Richard not to send me a free license for DUNE 2 if he intends to do after reading this post.

All you had to do was visit the forum and ask Rich for a serial (as stated in the thread where you downloaded the beta). The fact that you didnt know this means you didnt visit the forum when you knew there was a new beta.

Rich doesnt care who likes who and who doesnt. You havent got a new serial for the new beta because you havent made an effort to read the thread and ask.

But well done for moaning about it like a baby on a different forum, im sure everyone will give you lots of sympathy

[Kriminal]

Does the new version have dual filters and can it load single cycle waveforms ?

yes, but like on Roland analogue synth simpler : no env, no modulation
but don't forget Dune2 has 8 voices, it's like 8 synths so if you need 3 filters set the number of voice to 3 and adjust your filter

did you have permission to reveal new features?

[Kriminal]

In Dune 1 you are able to program the 8 Unison voices differently using the mod matrix. This is where the name DUNE comes from (= Differntial Unison Engine). I guess it is the same here?
In Xils Lab Synthix you could program 8 voices of the Unison differently too which in the "worst case" ends up with being duophonic as there is a 16 voices limit.
Ingo

Well, then I have to insist. THIS is not like 8 synths. BTW - The voice differentiation is also present in DIVA, as well as it is, for example, in Op-X Pro II (and even in the free ObxD), althoug probably we are not talking of the same thing here. Neither of the mentioned says it's like having eight synths.
Layers, OTOH, are a different thing, and THAT is indeed like having a different synth per layer.
IMO, of course, and in no way meaning DUNE is not a great synth

its not multi-timbral, but you can change all(?) of the parameters of each layer in the MM, but you are limited to slots available. You can change the OSC/Filter/ADSR for example for each layer (and more besides, but like i said, your are limited by MM slots)

one synth as 8 synths seems pointless....but there ya go. 8 'layers' seems plenty to get complex sounds if thats what you want.

[Nielzie]

Ahhh the inivitable "We can't tell you anything, closed beta nananana, but it will be amaaazing!" thread, I remember that from v1 a few years ago

I'll see when it's done

[fmr]

In Dune 1 you are able to program the 8 Unison voices differently using the mod matrix. This is where the name DUNE comes from (= Differntial Unison Engine). I guess it is the same here?
In Xils Lab Synthix you could program 8 voices of the Unison differently too which in the "worst case" ends up with being duophonic as there is a 16 voices limit.
Ingo

Well, then I have to insist. THIS is not like 8 synths. BTW - The voice differentiation is also present in DIVA, as well as it is, for example, in Op-X Pro II (and even in the free ObxD), althoug probably we are not talking of the same thing here. Neither of the mentioned says it's like having eight synths.
Layers, OTOH, are a different thing, and THAT is indeed like having a different synth per layer.
IMO, of course, and in no way meaning DUNE is not a great synth

its not multi-timbral, but you can change all(?) of the parameters of each layer in the MM, but you are limited to slots available. You can change the OSC/Filter/ADSR for example for each layer (and more besides, but like i said, your are limited by MM slots)

one synth as 8 synths seems pointless....but there ya go. 8 'layers' seems plenty to get complex sounds if thats what you want.

Don't be defensive. I am not attacking anything. But let's take what you said:

You can change the OSC/Filter/ADSR for example for each layer

This is really strange. How many "different" envelopes do you have? Matrix Modulations usually allow to adress one particular envelope and determine what paramenter it will modulates, and in what intensity. It's not the same as having one envelope for one voice and ANOTHER envelope for another voice (and controlling this in the matrix would be really strange). The same goes fo the filter. Either you have eigth fiters, or you haven't. I can understand you are not allowed to discuss this in detail, but it's beter no to say anything at all than revealing things in a confusing way, creating wrong ideas in those that do not know what it's there.
Anyway, I will download the demo of DUNE and will take a look at it's architecture, to try to devise that "differential unison" thing, before doing any other atempt to understand what the hell we are talking about here. But I have my doubts about this could be considered like eigth different synths in one.
Again, not that it would be necessary to consider DUNE 2 a great synth, but either it is a complete independent 8 layer synth (and that would mean in the LuSH-101 way, even if I think that 8 layers is way too much, and would be happy with 2 or maybe 3).
Look at the examples I gave - Roland JX-10 Super JX and Yamaha CS-80. These are both like two synths in one. Each synth has it's own OSCs, filters, envelopes, LFOs, etc., completely independent of the other. That's the only way we can talk of "two synths in one".

[Ingonator]

But well done for moaning about it like a baby on a different forum, im sure everyone will give you lots of sympathy

Obviously you did not really get my point. My post was just honest fwiw. Think about it what you like.



Ingo

[Kriminal]

Don't be defensive. I am not attacking anything.

erm, i wasnt, i was trying to explain how it works

But let's take what you said:

You can change the OSC/Filter/ADSR for example for each layer

This is really strange. How many "different" envelopes do you have? Matrix Modulations usually allow to adress one particular envelope and determine what paramenter it will modulates, and in what intensity. It's not the same as having one envelope for one voice and ANOTHER envelope for another voice (and controlling this in the matrix would be really strange). The same ".

well, i dont know technically, but you can set the ADSR for each voice/layer

voice#1 A0 D3 S9 R4
voice#2 A9 D0 S0 R5

etc etc (but, as i said, you will soon run out of MM slots, 1 for each setting = 4 for each ADSRx8=32)

The same goes fo the filter. Either you have eigth fiters, or you haven't.

each voice can be set to a diff filter type

I can understand you are not allowed to discuss this in detail, but it's beter no to say anything at all than revealing things in a confusing way, creating wrong ideas in those that do not know what it's there.

all this is available in V1, so its not a secret

[bodymodul]

Hey Guys !

Any news about Dune 2 ? Release in January ?

[Kriminal]

nothing new since Dec, so a Jan release is probably not going to happen

[osiris]

I think I read March, or was that a joke...