New DIVA components

[fluffy_little_something]

Korg MAXIKORG!

That's a dual lane synth… the Korg 700s or 770 would rather fit Diva

Dual lane? The CS80 is also dual lane if I understand the term correctly...

What might fit Diva well is the JX-3P, a two-DCO synth, whose sound I always liked, but which I could not afford in the early 80's (got a used JX-8P instead, hated that thing ). Oddly the JX-3P was not such a big success for Roland, but should have been. Maybe it arrived at the wrong time, i.e. the time of the DX 7 The good thing about that is that it is still relatively cheap today.
I guess you could reuse a lot of your code for such a module, judging from the specifications. There is a sample-based emulation by UVI, but samples is not the real thing...

[buescher]

(that said, access to a 2500 sounds enticing, but it'll have to wait until there's an opportunity to do something with it…)

anything ARPish would sound killer through the ladder.

[fmr]

Korg MAXIKORG!

That's a dual lane synth… the Korg 700s or 770 would rather fit Diva

Dual lane? The CS80 is also dual lane if I understand the term correctly...

What might fit Diva well is the JX-3P, a two-DCO synth, whose sound I always liked, but which I could not afford in the early 80's (got a used JX-8P instead, hated that thing ). Oddly the JX-3P was not such a big success for Roland, but should have been. Maybe it arrived at the wrong time, i.e. the time of the DX 7 The good thing about that is that it is still relatively cheap today.
I guess you could reuse a lot of your code for such a module, judging from the specifications. There is a sample-based emulation by UVI, but samples is not the real thing...

I have an MKS-30 (basically a JX-3P in a two space rack module) and a Juno-60. I also have an MKS-70 (which is the module version of the JX-10, a dual lane JX-8P). Although I like the MKS-30, I can't believe you would prefer that sound to the sound of the JX-8P. You can do everything the JX-3P does with the JX-8P and then more.

That said, I think that area is alredy well covered in DIVA (with the DCO and the Dual VCO, the two filters and the envelopes).

Regarding the CS-80, it is indeed a dual lane also, but with a single lane (which is the CS-60) and the effects (chorus or delay and reverb) you would get most of the CS-80 sounds, since these are based on the second lane replicating the first with some slight detune. The ring modulator could be created in the low part, where we have access to some extras, like the effects, the arpeggiator, the LFOs, etc.

Every part of the CS-60 (oscillator(s), filters, envelopes) would be an added value, since they are all unique.

[Urs]

However I mentioned this before and Urs commented that he doesn't want to make Diva an OB "emulator"; I'm not sure why since Diva already emulates a few classic standards already...

Our goal was to provide "one of each" of classic synth modules and make them as versatile as it gets. Adding a new analogue ADSR envelope which consists out of basically the same parts is surplus for that concept. As I said, I'll have a measurement at the OB-X envelopes once I'm back home but I doubt they differ much in shape from the ones we did. (Mind you, unlinke the OB-X, the OB-8 uses CEM chips, but in that case I'd rather model a Prophet)

It's the same about the Dual VCO. The OB-X VCOs don't even have a way to change the depth of the crossmodulation or the volume of the VCOs. It's just on or off, or off-half-full respectively. It's just not adding anything new to the feature set. I'll have a look at the gain of sawtooth vs. square, but if that's within only 2 or 3dB of what we have, I wouldn't bother.

Why then add the Uhbie, you might ask - the difference between Uhbie and the existing multimode filter is, the morphing can only be done with a 12 dB filter. Otherwise we would have added that back into the existing multimode filter.

[Urs]

Korg MAXIKORG!

That's a dual lane synth… the Korg 700s or 770 would rather fit Diva

Dual lane? The CS80 is also dual lane if I understand the term correctly...

Yes, which is why we can't fit either into Diva. A large part of the previous 45+ pages is a recurring argument about why we can't, won't and wouldn't do a CS-80 in Diva

[fluffy_little_something]

I have an MKS-30 (basically a JX-3P in a two space rack module) and a Juno-60. I also have an MKS-70 (which is the module version of the JX-10, a dual lane JX-8P). Although I like the MKS-30, I can't believe you would prefer that sound to the sound of the JX-8P. You can do everything the JX-3P does with the JX-8P and then more.

Well, they had both in the shop and the JX-3P didn't only look more appealing, it also sounded better to me, but it was more expensive than the ugly used JX-8P.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

(...but in that case I'd rather model a Prophet).

Yeah! What that guy said!

[SoulState]

Korg MAXIKORG!

That's a dual lane synth… the Korg 700s or 770 would rather fit Diva

The main thing is not dual-lane feature, i talking about overall sound character... In comprasion to that korg, minimoog sounds like softsynth... (for me) (i seen video on youtube from your headquarters, when guy playing some synths in there). I think this korg have that "old raw sound" from 70-s. I think Diva needs something "raw and dirty" like that Korg or ARP sound charcter. For me Diva sounds too lush and glamourus for now...) She needs some raw & brutal character in a counterbalance to existing fetures

Just listened some Korg 700 & 770 demos, yes i think this is the same sound character like Maxikorg offers!

Want also add korg MS-2000, though it's V/A, but have same fat and dirty charcter:

[LFO8]

Guys, stop with the Raw, Analog and Moog-like requests... Diva has all of that allready. Yamaha CS-80 FTW!

[knowix]

If we're being sensible, the most reasonable suggestions that would add new dimensions to the sound are an SSM, CEM or diode ladder filter; and a Prophet VS or PPG Wave style oscillator (though as I said previously, I would feel uncomfortable going into direct plugin competition with Wolfgang Palm himself).

[hakey]

Yamaha CS-80 FTW!

[fmr]

Korg MAXIKORG!

That's a dual lane synth… the Korg 700s or 770 would rather fit Diva

Dual lane? The CS80 is also dual lane if I understand the term correctly...

Yes, which is why we can't fit either into Diva. A large part of the previous 45+ pages is a recurring argument about why we can't, won't and wouldn't do a CS-80 in Diva

Don't take it personally, and forgive me to insist but I have to repeat what I posted earlier:

Regarding the CS-80, it is indeed a dual lane also, but with a single lane (which is the CS-60) and the effects (chorus or delay and reverb) you would get most of the CS-80 sounds, since the majority are based on the second lane replicating the first with some slight detune. The ring modulator could be created in the low part, where we have access to some extras, like the effects, the arpeggiator, the LFOs, etc.

Besides, every part of the CS-60 - oscillator(s), filters, envelopes, etc. - would be an added value, since they are all unique.

But you are the boss. It's up to you to decide, in the end

[Breeze]

Our goal was to provide "one of each" of classic synth modules and make them as versatile as it gets. Adding a new analogue ADSR envelope which consists out of basically the same parts is surplus for that concept. As I said, I'll have a measurement at the OB-X envelopes once I'm back home but I doubt they differ much in shape from the ones we did. (Mind you, unlinke the OB-X, the OB-8 uses CEM chips, but in that case I'd rather model a Prophet).

Thanks for your perspectives on this. I'm basing my judgement on my ears and my attempts at recreating some of the OB classic sounds in Diva. Note that It may prove to be not only the envelopes, but also the way the env control signals scale to OSC Fq. and volume. Thanks also for being willing to set the record straight.

[david.beholder]

Besides, every part of the CS-60 - oscillator(s), filters, envelopes, etc. - would be an added value, since they are all unique.

But you are the boss. It's up to you to decide, in the end

Holy Vangelis.

May be we need a thread similar to gearsults "A petition to Roland..." and call it "A petition to Urs, please add CS-60 oscs, filters and chorus, and greek composer humanizer (whatever it means) to Diva".

[Howard]

@fmr: I have a CS80 here. IMHO it would be boring without the very special keybed, the poly-afterttouch, the weird "ring modulator", the ribbon.