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Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:25 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
electro wrote: Between TAL and XILS, some great Roland analogs are already done.

Really? what Roland emu have xils done?
The Vocoder

oh yeah...whoop.

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:32 pm

fmr wrote:
electro wrote: Between TAL and XILS, some great Roland analogs are already done. D50 is the digital Roland synth to do like Korg's Legacy and some digital FX like the DEP and SRV.
Arturia Jupiter-8V is also a very accurate model of the original (although some people don't like it). The only thing I have against it is the control panel, where the editing part is too small to allow programming comfortably at modern resolutions.
And we have the modules in DIVA too (including the digital oscillators). Roland took too much time, and I'm afraid they are too late to the party.
But the MKS line has some gems that could be interesting, if they do them properly. I would be interested in a complete MKS rack, for example. And the D-50 (maybe complemented with the JD-990) too, of course.

Arturia are doing some really nice things on the hardware front, especially that beatstep controller, but I think it would be good idea to get a V4 of those emulation synths going.

aMUSEd wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
electro wrote: Between TAL and XILS, some great Roland analogs are already done.

Really? what Roland emu have xils done?
The Vocoder

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=398620

fluffy_little_something · Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:52 pm

ENV1 wrote:So they finally hired Patrick Kunz?

Had to think of him, too

But I don't think so, to the contrary I suppose they might be envious of Korg's software success and thus want to cash in on the authenticity bonus of the Roland brand...
If there really are to be almost perfect Roland emulations, I almost feel sorry for Patrick, he invested so much time and energy in his emulations...

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:55 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
ENV1 wrote:So they finally hired Patrick Kunz?

Had to think of him, too But I don't think so, to the contrary I suppose they might be envious of Korg's software success and thus want to cash in on the authenticity bonus of the Roland brand...
If there really are to be almost perfect Roland emulations, I almost feel sorry for Patrick, he invested so much time and energy in his emulations...

i dont think it will affect him, he's selling cheap software (very good stuff too), the Roland stuff is bound to be a price too far for the average user...

damoog · Post by **damoog** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:15 pm

Quite excited about this now,I'm all in favour of the current analog revival but let's be honest actually working real analogs inside of your daw is PITA..(even with 3rd party editors )

Roland approach here seems to be a winner and although it has been done before with korg,etc Roland's angle is still a winner because...well it's roland

JP8000 and jupiters all the way it is then ?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:25 pm

The System-1 synth seems to use two modes called "System-1" and "Plug-Out" where "System-1" seems to be the "Standard" built-in synth engine that uses all parameters found at the interface.
Additional plugins like the SH-101 should be then available in "Plug-Out" mode.

Ingo

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:33 am

Ingonator wrote:The System-1 synth seems to use two modes called "System-1" and "Plug-Out" where "System-1" seems to be the "Standard" built-in synth engine that uses all parameters found at the interface.
Additional plugins like the SH-101 should be then available in "Plug-Out" mode.

Ingo

from the Roland site

You can even switch between the SYSTEM-1’s internal sounds and those of the hosted plug-in

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:51 pm

First let me state I have nothing but respect and love for Roland.
But, leave it to them to build a $3000(you know that's what it will cost) synth that you can twiddle the knobs around in a VST. The System 1 keyboard looks, in concept to be like the Arturia Analog Lab, except the different synths will be 'VST" (all sold seperately )on your computer running out through this controller keyboard.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:09 pm

osiris wrote:First let me state I have nothing but respect and love for Roland.
But, leave it to them to build a $3000(you know that's what it will cost) synth that you can twiddle the knobs around in a VST. The System 1 keyboard looks, in concept to be like the Arturia Analog Lab, except the different synths will be 'VST" (all sold seperately )on your computer running out through this controller keyboard.

System-1 is a standalone synth (could host VSTs) that could be also used as VST. Seems to be also possible to create patches in the VSt on you computer and then store the patches in the hardware to use it standalone. More comparable to Origin or hardware plugin players (e.g. Receptor) than to Analog Lab i guess.

AFAIK the buit-in System-1 synth (in the interfacré you could switch between "System-1" and "Plug-Out") uses all the controls in the interface.

Besides that it does not seem to be possible to use any of the plugins without owning the System-1 keyboard so don't expect purchasing just a plugin and using it in any host without owning the hardware.

Ingo

donato · Post by **donato** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:35 pm

I don't know how ChiTown24 is going to feel about that...

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:44 pm

Could this be why Roland sold off Cakewalk?

That they wanted to focus on make plugin instruments on their own foundation and heritage?

HaganeSteel · Post by **HaganeSteel** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:10 pm

Roland pretty much already did what Korg did when they released the Hyper Canvas/TTS-1, Edirol Orchestral and Super Quartet. The TTS-1 and Edirol Orchestral alone give you a huge amount of core Roland sounds.

They did it many years before Korg did, too, it's just that no one seemed to realize these were largely the same sounds used in the JVs. Some of them are better. You just can't edit them as you could on a JV synth.

Roland's marketing was really flawed. Most people know more about the VSC than they do the Hyper Canvas/TTS-1, Edirol Orchestral and Super Quartet.

Not to mention, Roland released them under the Edirol name instead of Roland, which didn't help.

The VSC really hurt Roland's reputation in the software market.

It's a shame because Roland's mistakes seem to be making them afraid of releasing more software, when it isn't necessarily the medium that's bad, but rather the way they marketed their software, and the quality of that software (VSC was crap, TTS-1 is an incomplete SC88, etc.)

I would love it if they made some kind of Jupiter-8 emulation, though.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:30 pm

osiris wrote:First let me state I have nothing but respect and love for Roland.
But, leave it to them to build a $3000(you know that's what it will cost) synth that you can twiddle the knobs around in a VST. The System 1 keyboard looks, in concept to be like the Arturia Analog Lab, except the different synths will be 'VST" (all sold seperately )on your computer running out through this controller keyboard.

The price will be around $800 for the system 1 synth.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:39 pm

Well, there you go. Any idea how much the 'individual synth modules' will be? I''m guessing $200 a pop....

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:39 pm

HaganeSteel wrote:Not to mention, Roland released them under the Edirol name instead of Roland, which didn't help.

I own one of those Edirol controllers that got dead key problem

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197573

No wonder Roland buried that brand name

Roland now into VSTi development, beginning with SH-101