No, he's saying that if you want to bloody control the knobs, whistles, and dingies your going to have to set up a MIDI-OUT or a DASHBOARD Channel. You simply can't just hit learn and tweak a knob on your controler and... poof it's done. Ever try using two different controllers in FLStudio (Radium - Korg legacy)? Good luck, would love suggestions on an easy way. Even I have posted on FL Forum to no avail.
NO it's not a perfect program, doesn't mean I'll switch to Reason because I complain about it, doesn't mean I have an Apple mentality that the world is perfect place either. Besides, beer tastes better in the humble pallet, ask the working class.
I don't think anyone would deny that the control issue could be improved. Why would they even be beta-ing new midi stuff. It can only be deduced that FL knows it as well.
Any one else hate this?
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- KVRist
- 161 posts since 26 May, 2001
No, he's saying that if you want to bloody control the knobs, whistles, and dingies your going to have to set up a MIDI-OUT or a DASHBOARD Channel.
Wrong.
You simply can't just hit learn and tweak a knob on your controler and... poof it's done.
I can. Everyone i know can. Would you like to come to Looptalk and i'll tell you how so you can too?
Wrong.
You simply can't just hit learn and tweak a knob on your controler and... poof it's done.
I can. Everyone i know can. Would you like to come to Looptalk and i'll tell you how so you can too?
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- something special
- 8627 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Birmingham, Alabama
what's wrong with saying it here, where this conversation initiated?Mirabebe wrote: I can. Everyone i know can. Would you like to come to Looptalk and i'll tell you how so you can too?
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
heh...temper, temper, temper...
ok, I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut
ok, I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut
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- KVRist
- 161 posts since 26 May, 2001
what's wrong with saying it here, where this conversation initiated
What for? The person who started this thread complains about something entirely else. He even mentiones the MIDI learn capability that i have in mind (Last Touched).
I don't have an issue with his post at all. I do find it humorous though that his post attracted a bunch of people however who are totally ignorant of the subject, but still weigh in with their baseless opinions and swift judgements:
Example:
if I were to load, say, Triangle II, I wouldn't be able to weak it from MIDI controller? ...that's pretty dumb
What for? The person who started this thread complains about something entirely else. He even mentiones the MIDI learn capability that i have in mind (Last Touched).
I don't have an issue with his post at all. I do find it humorous though that his post attracted a bunch of people however who are totally ignorant of the subject, but still weigh in with their baseless opinions and swift judgements:
Example:
if I were to load, say, Triangle II, I wouldn't be able to weak it from MIDI controller? ...that's pretty dumb
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- KVRAF
- 1651 posts since 14 May, 2002 from Earth
Last Touched is one of my favorite newer features in FL. It's extremely handy.
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- KVRAF
- 2831 posts since 11 Jun, 2003
Indeed...
So everyone understands: You load a vsti in FL Studio ( Pentagon for example ), move a knob on the Pentagon1 interface, then select "last tweaked parameter" and highlight "link to controller". Move a knob on your MIDI controller: Done. Move the knob or slider on your MIDI controller and the knob that you assigned moves in Pentagon1.
I never link the same knobs to the same controllers in my projects. I'm not always using the same VST's. I don't always want to automate the same effects... I don't always automate the same parameters in one effect. There are too many things that you can want to have linked to a controller. This changes with every project.. for me...
I like this way of doing it.
One thing I would like is a shortcut on the keyboard. One button that I press and the box pops up to link to controller. But, it's only one more click right now. No biggie.
So everyone understands: You load a vsti in FL Studio ( Pentagon for example ), move a knob on the Pentagon1 interface, then select "last tweaked parameter" and highlight "link to controller". Move a knob on your MIDI controller: Done. Move the knob or slider on your MIDI controller and the knob that you assigned moves in Pentagon1.
I never link the same knobs to the same controllers in my projects. I'm not always using the same VST's. I don't always want to automate the same effects... I don't always automate the same parameters in one effect. There are too many things that you can want to have linked to a controller. This changes with every project.. for me...
I like this way of doing it.
One thing I would like is a shortcut on the keyboard. One button that I press and the box pops up to link to controller. But, it's only one more click right now. No biggie.
Last edited by pheeleep on Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
Play it by ear
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Last touched is a very good addition (and much needed with synths like that of Z3ta+ where the existing method did not work and the only real way was the really really long drop down menu on the left under current project (generators) where once you select the knob the bloody list would snap back up)
Now I just press a function on the gui and not have to worry about it’s cryptic name as the last touched is automatically remembered so I can link to external or internal controllers.
But I agree with Pheeleep where I would also like a short cut to bring up the link box after last touched – this would speed things up tremendously.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
Now I just press a function on the gui and not have to worry about it’s cryptic name as the last touched is automatically remembered so I can link to external or internal controllers.
But I agree with Pheeleep where I would also like a short cut to bring up the link box after last touched – this would speed things up tremendously.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRian
- 1256 posts since 22 Aug, 2003
Please notice the question mark.Mirabebe wrote:what's wrong with saying it here, where this conversation initiated
What for? The person who started this thread complains about something entirely else. He even mentiones the MIDI learn capability that i have in mind (Last Touched).
I don't have an issue with his post at all. I do find it humorous though that his post attracted a bunch of people however who are totally ignorant of the subject, but still weigh in with their baseless opinions and swift judgements:
Example:
if I were to load, say, Triangle II, I wouldn't be able to weak it from MIDI controller? ...that's pretty dumb
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- KVRer
- 18 posts since 7 Jun, 2004
You can assign things with some synths, but others are completely lacking automation capability where other programs allow it. Example: any waves plugin or any edirol plugin, some NI plugins...and a giant assortment of others.
Yeah, the "last knob tweak" feature is cute, but I laughed out loud when I noticed it. Like "oh I see, they do realize how poorly this host is working, so they create a little fuzzy work-around to make it 0.001% less pain in the arse".
Now before Mirabebe's head explodes with shrapnel of flp files and simsynth presets, I DO think FL has a lot of potential and maybe, just maybe, will compete with the bigguns (Logic, Cubase, Protools). But they have a long way to go still. Here's what I'd like to see:
- Stability. f**king stability. God...damn...stability. Better support for ASIO drivers. Better support for 3rd party instruments/fx. Better support!
- more/better piano roll tools
- a score editor (the lack of this excludes any musician comfortable with writing...um...MUSIC...instead of green blocks)
- Better audio recording and wave editing tools. Or maybe supporting the primative ability to use your fx for destructive editing WITHIN the program.
- A package that contains tools that don't cost extra money to use. What other program boasts such plugins/features where over 70% of them are demo versions?
- And finally, as expected, fix the automation. No, erase all the automation code and rewrite the damn thing. Envelopes! People are familiar with envelopes! (altho the "paint" is nice once you get the hang of it...but envelopes in many cases are more convenient)
And this doesn't really matter to me, as I have both platforms in front of me at all times...but if FL wants to step up into the pro-realm...they're going to have to eventually make an OSX version or license one with another company. Not all studios use PCs, not all use Macs. What does that mean? You need a cross-platform workstation in order to transfer files or collaberate.
But once again, it's not a BAD program. I personally think it's suitable allll the way up to the pro level (this is probably 99.99% of musicians). But once you cross the realm of f**king around and making a living/meeting deadlines...FL is laughable at best.
Of course I'll get a massive flame for this...but I speak the truth. If it's any consolation I think Reason is a heaping pile of hot garbage.
Yeah, the "last knob tweak" feature is cute, but I laughed out loud when I noticed it. Like "oh I see, they do realize how poorly this host is working, so they create a little fuzzy work-around to make it 0.001% less pain in the arse".
Now before Mirabebe's head explodes with shrapnel of flp files and simsynth presets, I DO think FL has a lot of potential and maybe, just maybe, will compete with the bigguns (Logic, Cubase, Protools). But they have a long way to go still. Here's what I'd like to see:
- Stability. f**king stability. God...damn...stability. Better support for ASIO drivers. Better support for 3rd party instruments/fx. Better support!
- more/better piano roll tools
- a score editor (the lack of this excludes any musician comfortable with writing...um...MUSIC...instead of green blocks)
- Better audio recording and wave editing tools. Or maybe supporting the primative ability to use your fx for destructive editing WITHIN the program.
- A package that contains tools that don't cost extra money to use. What other program boasts such plugins/features where over 70% of them are demo versions?
- And finally, as expected, fix the automation. No, erase all the automation code and rewrite the damn thing. Envelopes! People are familiar with envelopes! (altho the "paint" is nice once you get the hang of it...but envelopes in many cases are more convenient)
And this doesn't really matter to me, as I have both platforms in front of me at all times...but if FL wants to step up into the pro-realm...they're going to have to eventually make an OSX version or license one with another company. Not all studios use PCs, not all use Macs. What does that mean? You need a cross-platform workstation in order to transfer files or collaberate.
But once again, it's not a BAD program. I personally think it's suitable allll the way up to the pro level (this is probably 99.99% of musicians). But once you cross the realm of f**king around and making a living/meeting deadlines...FL is laughable at best.
Of course I'll get a massive flame for this...but I speak the truth. If it's any consolation I think Reason is a heaping pile of hot garbage.
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Silly post imoMirabebe wrote:This guys hates something else about FL studio.
http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=566545
You can buy him a beer or something...
Seriously - i recently stopped using Frontpage ans shortly thereafter Dreamweaver - because i like Adobe GoLive alot better. But i didn't bother informing the world about it. If you no longer like FL - why not try something else? Try Orion - it needs all the help it can get.
Best regards,
Spe3d
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 8 Jan, 2004 from California
You can go to looptalk
You can search my name 'meeks'
You can read my posts: "impOSCar Mod wheel","absynth2 "
You can search Radium and be amazed
You can simply tell me how assign a MOD wheel to any synth without 'midi-out' or 'dashboard'; it's that simple.
I have tried looptalk
I have tried KVR
I have played and experimented: {see "impOSCar Mod wheel" thread).
While this will most likely be played off as "you don't have the right midi-contoller, you need to contact m-audio" routine. I would more than love to appologize to you, (in fact, I hope your that much of a guru to tell me how to use both the legacy MS-20 and my Radium). I've watched looptalk, and you have helpful posts, but you haven't said a constructive thing here in this thread but to dish and tell someone else to switch software.
So tell me how to assign one mod wheel.
Its time to put up....
You can search my name 'meeks'
You can read my posts: "impOSCar Mod wheel","absynth2 "
You can search Radium and be amazed
You can simply tell me how assign a MOD wheel to any synth without 'midi-out' or 'dashboard'; it's that simple.
I have tried looptalk
I have tried KVR
I have played and experimented: {see "impOSCar Mod wheel" thread).
While this will most likely be played off as "you don't have the right midi-contoller, you need to contact m-audio" routine. I would more than love to appologize to you, (in fact, I hope your that much of a guru to tell me how to use both the legacy MS-20 and my Radium). I've watched looptalk, and you have helpful posts, but you haven't said a constructive thing here in this thread but to dish and tell someone else to switch software.
So tell me how to assign one mod wheel.
Its time to put up....
The armchair is more than the sum of the bastards
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Before Mibbby has a go at finding a comment to add, here is something to double check.
Tweak a control on the gui – then go to the red part in the top left corner of the FL wrapper of the synth’s gui you tweaked and select last tweaked parameter – then move the mod wheel – assigning will happen automatically.
It should work – so I guess if it does not, it must be something about the cc numbers used on the radium ect mod wheel that conflicts with FL internal fixed ones. That’s the line I would take if other parts of the controller do work via above method but the mod does not.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
Tweak a control on the gui – then go to the red part in the top left corner of the FL wrapper of the synth’s gui you tweaked and select last tweaked parameter – then move the mod wheel – assigning will happen automatically.
It should work – so I guess if it does not, it must be something about the cc numbers used on the radium ect mod wheel that conflicts with FL internal fixed ones. That’s the line I would take if other parts of the controller do work via above method but the mod does not.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRAF
- 2831 posts since 11 Jun, 2003
Worst case scenario is that you will have to use a MIDI Out to control the mod wheel of the vsti, and if you know what cc number the vsti uses for mod wheel it literally takes maybe 10 more seconds than directly linking to controller as shown in Spe3d's post above. Really, try it. It takes 10 seconds to set it up using a MIDI OUT... it's not that big of a deal really..
-edit- OT: My pleasure Bluedad!
-edit- OT: My pleasure Bluedad!
Play it by ear