KvR's leading melodicist

[DevonB]

so i guess you're pretty much tone deaf to anything but equal temperament, or any scale that isn't nicely annotated in a book somewhere.

does a melody only implicate predefined frequency values? does the entire universe come out of books written by white men with giant rods up their tightly clenched asses whose job it is to "educate" (eg. shit on) the rest of us?

why do i always have to explain everything? why does that sound better if you say it in a sonoran accent?

Or, let me be more precise - A TR-808 does not make it into a melody masterpiece. I suppose we could stretch this any way you please for the sake of making whatever you say 'right'.

Devon

[donkey tugger]

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why do i always have to explain everything?

Because you're a white man with a giant rod up your tightly clenched arse?

[shamann]

While this does not hold true for all rap, I've found enough of the emphasis on the beat, and the rapping, and little else. This style has been quite popular. So, while I agree, it intertwines, but not always with popular music.

Well, rhythm extends beyond just the beat/percussion. A good example of this is the Rolling Stones bit used in the Verve's Bittersweet Symphony. Try thinking about the melody witout its distinct rhythm.

As for rap, Mr. hugs and kisses (xoxos) made an interesting point a while back that successful rap is microtonal singing, similar to Harry Partch's theories, and I think true on the whole. Imagine Chuck D's delivery without variations in pitch.

I was thinking more of pop songs as extension of guitar folk, where the rhythmic counting of guitar/piano chords often plays a bigger part in the song then tunefulness/pitch variation over time.

Cheers,
Steve

[VitaminD]

does the entire universe come out of books written by white men with giant rods up their tightly clenched asses whose job it is to "educate" (eg. shit on) the rest of us?

why do i always have to explain everything?

hmmmmmmmm. whats the difference between the former and the latter?

[shamann]

...Mr. hugs and kisses (xoxos) made an interesting point...

Somehow, a lot happened while I was typing.

[liqih]

simply we can't tell what's a melody, we can just choose what to call by that,

and of course everybody can make his choice,
and maybe could agree with somebody else,



about melodies I heard at KVR, I like my ones
and Garret ones mostly, <grin>



all IMHO of course

[DevonB]

While this does not hold true for all rap, I've found enough of the emphasis on the beat, and the rapping, and little else. This style has been quite popular. So, while I agree, it intertwines, but not always with popular music.

Well, rhythm extends beyond just the beat/percussion. A good example of this is the Rolling Stones bit used in the Verve's Bittersweet Symphony. Try thinking about the melody witout its distinct rhythm.

Which I'll give you on this, I do plenty of melodies that really hold the rhythmic elements of the song together. Rhythmic, melodic, and harmonic, all can and do go together, some more than others. Some music uses more than others, or use them in different ways, that's for sure. I'm more talking about the distinction of a discreet melody, harmony, and rhythm as their own entities, which is why we're arguing about this right now, isn't it?


Devon

[mystahr]

Top ranks are def: Putte and Donkey - they both surprise me time and time again, and their sound is recognizable from miles distance.

I very much enjoy Garret and Resonance, and I think Guitarcomputer is doing some great stuff as well

EW is doing some off the wall stuff, and yes liqih's 'Balkan'-melodies are cool.

I saw Jens at work now and his stuff is pretty amazing.

And there are probably more that I cant remember right now, or they just slipped my memory

[Shane Sanders]

Top ranks are def: Putte and Donkey - they both surprise me time and time again, and their sound is recognizable from miles distance.

I very much enjoy Garret and Resonance, and I think Guitarcomputer is doing some great stuff as well

EW is doing some off the wall stuff, and yes liqih's 'Balkan'-melodies are cool.

I saw Jens at work now and his stuff is pretty amazing.

And there are probably more that I cant remember right now, or they just slipped my memory

I like these guys, too. putte's latest stuff has a retro thing going on that I like a lot.

Garret has a good ear for Western harmony, too, and he has a songwriter's knack for hooks. So his melodies are alive within a context that also appeals to me.

Donkey Tugger's stuff appeals to me because the emotion is tangible (can't really explain it) and he's into wall-of-sound (which I also love) but he knows how to build it up brick by brick.

Jens's stuff is slinky, and has a female vocal which automatically draws me into it.

On the non-Western side of things, today I'm digging this guy:

http://www.magnatune.com/artists/jay_kishor

[shamann]

I'm more talking about the distinction of a discreet melody, harmony, and rhythm as their own entities, which is why we're arguing about this right now, isn't it?

I suppose so. I just like to argue.

But I think it's important to emphasize that rhythm isn't just percussion/beats. It's a common misconception. Even discreet rhythms extend beyond that.

And while I think it's tough for melody to exist without rhythm, I think it can quite easily exist without harmony.

[DevonB]

I'm more talking about the distinction of a discreet melody, harmony, and rhythm as their own entities, which is why we're arguing about this right now, isn't it?

I suppose so. I just like to argue.

But I think it's important to emphasize that rhythm isn't just percussion/beats. It's a common misconception. Even discreet rhythms extend beyond that.

And while I think it's tough for melody to exist without rhythm, I think it can quite easily exist without harmony.

Argue? I never like to argue (need smily whisling here!) Melody can contain percussive elements and emphasis to the beat easily. Rhythm can very much be part of the melody. After all, we do have 'rhythm guitar' and it don't look anything like a drum.

Devon

[VicDiesel]

But I think it's important to emphasize that rhythm isn't just percussion/beats.

I agree with that

And while I think it's tough for melody to exist without rhythm, I think it can quite easily exist without harmony.

"But I think it's important to emphasize that harmony isn't just instruments playing at the same time."

In a lot of monophonic music the implied harmonies are clear. (Prime evidence of course Bach's cello suites.)

V.

[shamann]

"But I think it's important to emphasize that harmony isn't just instruments playing at the same time."

I agree with that. Not just the Beach Boys.

I loosely view harmony as just the relationship between pitch values, and possibly the rulesets, both natural and artificial, designed to govern said relationship.

[bluedad]

does the entire universe come out of books written by white men with giant rods up their tightly clenched asses whose job it is to "educate" (eg. shit on) the rest of us?

why do i always have to explain everything?

hmmmmmmmm. whats the difference between the former and the latter?

hehe, nice one vitamin!


ok, back to subject
I love my daughter, Melody.

[xoxos]

don't worry shamann, it's obviously more fun to generalise about a vague group of individuals and say 'they' don't do what 'we' do and therefore must be dumb niggers simply because one isn't able to recognise articulations beyond one's robotic shrivelled nuts scope.

and besides, nothing is more satisfying than getting in an argument with someone with a vicious tone, regardless of what they're actually saying. ignorance, and shitting on others with your friends, is bliss. that's why we have genres anyway, so we can label people and drop them in boxes and continue to farm morons.