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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:49 pm

Stollmeister wrote:
urlwolf wrote:Thanks Howard, but on my version (2002) I don't see oscillator mode "Overtone" anywhere. More precisely, where?
I've gott version 2002 and it shows up. Click on the top of the oscilator where it says "semitone".

What we really need is this functionality in Zebra! Next update?

Rev 2002 of Bazille?!?

frogbeats · Post by **frogbeats** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:42 pm

i have the same problem. in the box where it says revision mines says 2002. i click on the oscillator section where it says semitone and i am only given the options of semitones, harmonics, suboctaves, hertz and clocked.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:49 pm

Ok, I figured it out. When I did the current build, I had to use the sources from rev 1331, at the time we were at 2002 already. It is 1331, but it shows 2002.

The setting called "harmonics" is now renamed to "overtones" for a more precise wording. It's otherwise the same thing.

Cheers,

- Urs

urlwolf · Post by **urlwolf** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:12 pm

After changing a .txt file, it went from 2000 to 2002 (got it from this thread).

One other question.
Going through the patches, it looks like people don't do much FM at all. Most patches have one, max two FM modulations. So people are not going for the crazy 4-op algos that the old FM synths relied on so much. And not so often I see feedback loops on patches (An osc out piped to the FM input).

I assume this is because with the nice, complex PM oscs one can get a lot of mileage (and filters, and everything else). Doing complex FM algos is just not needed. Or am I wrong and we'll start seeing more complex patches with deep FM programming with due time?

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:51 pm

urlwolf wrote:After changing a .txt file, it went from 2000 to 2002 (got it from this thread).

One other question.
Going through the patches, it looks like people don't do much FM at all. Most patches have one, max two FM modulations. So people are not going for the crazy 4-op algos that the old FM synths relied on so much. And not so often I see feedback loops on patches (An osc out piped to the FM input).

I assume this is because with the nice, complex PM oscs one can get a lot of mileage (and filters, and everything else). Doing complex FM algos is just not needed. Or am I wrong and we'll start seeing more complex patches with deep FM programming with due time?

Try these

http://www.3amnoise.net/bazille_patches.zip
http://www.3amnoise.net/bazille_drums3am.zip

ho66it · Post by **ho66it** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:21 pm

Thanks for sharing these patches Justin

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:07 pm

A little niggle I noticed using Bazille recently:

Most mod/audio inputs are automatable, so you can assign them to hardware control, which is very useful (and really cool to turn a knob and see the wires moving!). Bazille however seems to be missing the central mixer inputs for some reason. These destinations seem to follow the same rules in that each destination can have one source, so why aren't these exposed too? Will they be for the final release?

Having a digital FM/PD synth that is completely assigned to hardware is my dream. Have lots of vintage analogs that can be used mouse free but I would love Bazille to be mouse free as well.

Oh and also the Bazille parameters don't show their proper values/units to the host, but I'm sure this is known since Zebra and Diva temporarily had the same issue.

Thanks!

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:23 pm

It's unofficial! Bazille will become one of the most beloved synths for dnb ever!

geronimo · Post by **geronimo** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:04 pm

Hurry up: MOOG Music arrive with her modular synth .

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:25 pm

More Moog Modular news:

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/04/m ... unch-ever/

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:21 pm

I appreciate the dedication to re-making the Moog Modular... but one look at it makes me appreciate Bazille all the more...

geronimo · Post by **geronimo** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:33 pm

It was to revive the subject because I'm impatient .

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:53 pm

geronimo wrote:It was to revive the subject because I'm impatient .

me too...

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:37 am

Good news is, Howie has decided on the filter tweaks he likes best. There'll be a last iteration of internal alphas before we might be able to go beta

Nevertheless, I think we need to write a preset conversion guide first. Everyone needs to render their projects made with the alpha version, and save the presets inside those. We also need to explain to people how to set up the old alpha next to the new version. Because some of the modules have been tweaked in sound, many changes need to be done by ear.

The most prominent changes:

LFOs have separate outputs per waveform. Thus if anyone uses anything different from triangle, a connection and/or the shape knob needs to be changed
New filters with slightly different tone and behavior - may need to be tweaked
New connections and knobs for resonance and pan modulation - requires re-cabling, knob tweaking
2 instead of 4 lag generators, with 2 ins and outs each. Former knobs (A/R) of Lag1 control ins and outs 1+2, knobs of Lag2 control ins and outs of former Lag 3+4 - requires rearranging of cables in presets with multiple Lag generators used, and probably some knob tweaking
Oscillators preserve tuning when switching to dual-waveforms (formerly dual waveforms would be an octave up) - requires tuning change in presets using dual-waveforms

That should be about it, out of the top of my head… I'm sure that, after two or three presets converted, everyone will get there quickly.

I was contemplating to automate some of those changes, but there are drawbacks. Only a few changes can be done automatically and the code would be rather complex

solidtrax · Post by **solidtrax** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:10 am

Urs wrote:Good news is, Howie has decided on the filter tweaks he likes best. There'll be a last iteration of internal alphas before we might be able to go beta

Nevertheless, I think we need to write a preset conversion guide first. Everyone needs to render their projects made with the alpha version, and save the presets inside those. We also need to explain to people how to set up the old alpha next to the new version. Because some of the modules have been tweaked in sound, many changes need to be done by ear.

The most prominent changes:

LFOs have separate outputs per waveform. Thus if anyone uses anything different from triangle, a connection and/or the shape knob needs to be changed

New filters with slightly different tone and behavior - may need to be tweaked

New connections and knobs for resonance and pan modulation - requires re-cabling, knob tweaking

2 instead of 4 lag generators, with 2 ins and outs each. Former knobs (A/R) of Lag1 control ins and outs 1+2, knobs of Lag2 control ins and outs of former Lag 3+4 - requires rearranging of cables in presets with multiple Lag generators used, and probably some knob tweaking

Oscillators preserve tuning when switching to dual-waveforms (formerly dual waveforms would be an octave up) - requires tuning change in presets using dual-waveforms
That should be about it, out of the top of my head… I'm sure that, after two or three presets converted, everyone will get there quickly.

I was contemplating to automate some of those changes, but there are drawbacks. Only a few changes can be done automatically and the code would be rather complex

I'm happy that I have waited with making (a lot of) presets for Bazille. I'll start when the beta is available, can't wait!!

u-he

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