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stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:12 am

xend54 wrote:I don't care who they are or what they are about, $1000 is not an okay price for a single oscillator IMO.

I wouldn't say that. It depends on the R&D to build a special osc like this. Then how many hours it takes to build it. Then what kind and how many components you have to use. Then finally the market: If there is no competitor but a big market. These main factors can increase the price.

Some would say 15k for a compressor is not okay. But others understand/appreciate its value and are willing to pay for it. Or how about 5k for a mono synth, where you cannot repatch the modules?

If you wouldn't pay 1k for an osc, then that's just you.

xend54 · Post by **xend54** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:17 am

deft_bonz wrote:
xend54 wrote:I don't care who they are or what they are about, $1000 is not an okay price for a single oscillator IMO.
I wouldn't say that. It depends on the R&D to build a special osc like this. Then how many hours it takes to build it. Then what kind and how many components you have to use. Then finally the market: If there is no competitor but a big market. These main factors can increase the price.

Some would say 15k for a compressor is not okay. But others understand/appreciate its value and are willing to pay for it. Or how about 5k for a mono synth, where you cannot repatch the modules?

If you wouldn't pay 1k for an osc, then that's just you.

Yeah. I can't really appreciate some of these luxuries, as I am just setting the foundation for myself. One day I might fancy some nice gear

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:22 am

xend54 wrote:Yeah. I can't really appreciate some of these luxuries, as I am just setting the foundation for myself. One day I might fancy some nice gear

If you keep doing music, you will my friend, you will!

BTW: Usually high end gear always keep a very good resale value. If you're lucky and you bought a limited unit, it may even grow its value.

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:16 pm

A highpass filter tracking fundamental frequency (0 cutoff, 100 keyfol) can help self-FM with the non-PM linear/relative modes. It's not perfectly stable pitch, but the deviations are very small - in the range of a few cents. It goes between the oscillator output and the phase input, something like: raw->filter->phase mod

Using high-passed signals and other routings, etc. along these lines seems worthwhile - I'm still experimenting. Coaxing some interesting shapes on the oscilloscope and a spectrum analyzer with the alternate FM modes isn't musical sound design but ends up being useful, I think.

Credit due to Sean Costello of ValhallaDSP for this: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/7863137-post37.html (Differentiating frequency to get phase, using a high-pass ...

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3ee · Post by **3ee** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:18 pm

Urs wrote:
3ee wrote:Not sure if this is wrong, but there might be something off with the OSC PM modes other than "PM"
PM works on phase, so it preserves the general pitch of the oscillator. The linear FM mode adds to the frequency, while the relative mode multiplies the frequency - in both cases pitch is only preserved if modulated by another oscillator with a symmetric waveform. It sounds much like crossmodulation, but the scaling is differently. Crossmodulation is achieved by using the pitch modulation input with an audio rate signal.

Thanks for clarifying!

I always thought that lin and rel modes where still PM and not FM, ...one with inverted kb tracking for the PM amount and one with relative kb tracking to preserve the wave with higher key range....

I thought of using the rel coarse mode to escape extra kb track modulations on the modulator's volume to tame the usual FM/PM aggression with high kb range.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:29 pm

I can't seem to get the sequencers to work. They work when first connecting, but then stop working when I change audio routing, and they continue to stop working when I put everything back as it was.

Anyone else experiencing weirdness with the sequencers?

Maybe I'm just doing something wrong?

[edit]
Even stranger, I'm playing a few notes and all is well, but then it just goes mute.

[edit again]
Now it all works nicely again. Strange.
I'll have to try and replicate this and send over a proper bug report.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:14 pm

^
what envelopes are selected for the AMPs? maybe it's the env release that stops the seq?
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thanks xh3rv, been experimenting with PM and filters before, but with actual FM not, seems to help atm...

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:35 pm

Urs wrote:A popular module is the Cynthia Zeroscillator (which we tried to buy, but they didn't ever reply to my orders).

I seem to recall there being fulfilment issues with Cynthia so perhaps it was for the best. Intellijel make a through zero FM: rubicon. I haven't used it myself but it is by all accounts very good and a whole lot cheaper than the zeroscillator...

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:46 pm

Bazille is incredible, btw. You improved on the (already outstanding) alpha in every respect. I could easily see this taking over from Z2 as my default synth.

p.s. not that it needs much of anything, but since you mentioned eurorack, a wave folder along the lines of one of these:
http://www.toppobrillo.com/TWF/TWF.html
http://www.intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/µfold-ii/
http://www.doepfer.de/A137.htm
could be a very nice addition to Bazille at some point in the future. Like PM and PD, wave folders allow you to considerably mangle the waveform while not messing with the pitch much...

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:49 pm

Yup, we have experimented with wave folders/multipliers, but we're not entirely happy with it.

I guess I need to buy some one day. Need more space though...

geronimo · Post by **geronimo** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:07 pm

For the Copy/Paste function in the sequencer: are we copy the slider's position or the orange position .

Ich bin schlimm daran with the concept .

drumex · Post by **drumex** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:35 pm

You guys did a great job with this synth. The only nag I've noticed so far is after I save a preset the cursor gets stuck on i beem and I can't use any parameter. I have click off to something else then return back to Bazille. That it. Im buying it.

Thanks u-he!

AndreasD · Post by **AndreasD** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:07 pm

Great job. I like it.

Bug:
When closing the front panel (GUI) and open it again, the sequencer knobs are all back in the reset (0) position. The orange bars are still there and the sequence plays correctly.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:45 pm

I was trying to play the mapping generator as an oscillator by "reading it" with a sawtooth LFO, then I realized you can just select "tap map" in the oscillator section as the base waveform. When I say "realized", what I really mean is "read in the manual"

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Tue May 20, 2014 10:11 pm

^ right-click tap-map, shapes - triangle
-right-click again and quantise to 8

yeap, offline bit-reduction effect too

u-he

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