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ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sun May 25, 2014 9:32 pm

Discipline, concentration, mast...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sun May 25, 2014 9:41 pm

jancivil wrote:No, you thought it was clever

Mind reading fail.

to say arguing the logic of this was my lack of a sense of humor.

Taking it seriously enough to argue the logic of it would pretty much be the definition of that, yes.

So if I come back at all, it's me making it about me?

Sorry, are we supposed to believe that 'arguing the logic' wasnt you throwing yourself in the firing line so you could indignantly yelp out your beloved refrain 'help help im being shot at it'
Pull the other one.

Who are you kidding do you think?

Well, Im trying to kid fewer people than you are, so hopefully no-one. Who are you kidding, do you think?

It's kind of twisted.

My point, I think.

You seem desperate, the vitriolic tone seems to follow that you hate your own total logic failure being shown.

That's pretty amusing, to be honest. If you want to try and pass off my expression of boredom with your shtick as 'vitriolic tone' you go ahead, but you don't really have the position of insight that that assertion requires. Its a little bit of a 'total logic failure' all of its own.

This is just a joke (it isn't, and I'm sure at least the OP knows it isn't) and all jokes are funny, so if one does what I did rather than find this funny one has a 'sense of humor deficit'. If you think that is true in general, I still say the same thing.

Most people who didnt find it funny wouldnt be so lacking in the notion of comprehending its intention to be funny by plonking their po-facedly literal little link to the definition of 'reductio ad absurdum' when any chipmonk with half a brain was already perfectly aware that that's what was going on.
Its nothing to do with whether you found it funny. Its about the Dunning-Kruger level of explanation of the underpinning of the joke, your rush to the crusade of its 'logical' rebuttal, your determination to place yourself where you can be seen to be educating us all, and the setup for the umbrage to follow.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:01 pm

I think we can all agree that we should all strive to learn as much as possible about what we do on lower and lower levels, whilst being aware of the point of diminishing returns.

Yes, the OP is a joke, knowingly absurd, but it's also taken as a way of saying "it's ok" if you don't do or know everything to do with the music you create. Which it is. * It's perfectly fine. But if you're passionate about what you create, you owe it to yourself to dig deeper and deeper into whatever raw materials you're using, whether it's music theory, DSP and sound/synth design, vocal technique, turntablism or whatever.

Use that preset, buy that super turbo auto-glitcher with 9 million presets, buy that Indian Feels sample CD, but at the same time, look into what's going on there. Learn synthesis, learn about DSP, digital theory, how to mangle sound on lower levels etc, learn about Indian vocal traditions. Otherwise, you're essentially a tourist, looking to take selfies of yourself in the cool areas of town, with no longterm intentions of inhabiting the place.

Nothing wrong with being a tourist - for example - I am a tourist when it comes to war. I watch war films with no intention of learning the intricacies of warfare. That's fine. But when it comes to being intimate with the things YOU are passionate about, do you want to be a tourist, or something else? Are you here for entertainment, or something deeper?

That's my philosophy, anyway. I don't follow it 100%, but I hold myself to it fairly well. I wouldn't bother holding other people to it, because I don't have the energy to judge people like that, and I'm aware that there may be other possibilities that I'm not aware of, because they don't work for me. All I can do is recommend what I believe works.

A lot of the time I hear "there's no time to reinvent the wheel", to which I would respond, the DAW effectively gives us infinite time. All that will suffer is your output rate, your turnaround. Unless you're working for someone else and need to get that project done stat (which is not what this discussion is about at all), there is no deadline except your own death, and I think the world would rather hear two mindfully produced songs a year as opposed to twelve hastily constructed ones.

15 years ago I wouldn't even bother with this opinion, but it's become relevant today because of the sheer number of soundalikes we have in the increasingly homogenous world of electronic music. Learning your roots and getting in there to witness and re-create them is a way of combatting that.

* - note, I'm not implying this was the OP's motivation for posting the joke. Just that some people think along those lines.

As a final note, remember not to underestimate the importance of levity

All of the technical and artistic skill in the world might be wasted if there's no sense of lightness or contentedness in what you're doing. Or at the very least, it feels better that way

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:05 pm

I always physically play my parts, who wants to listen to what is essentially mouse clicks on a grid?

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:17 pm

I'm a tourist in more than 190 countries on this planet Earth, and I'm happy about it!

If I'd like to make real 100 % authentic Indian music, I'd go to India and learn making Indian music for decades. But that's not my intention...

That's the great thing nowadays: You can take samples of an Indian dhol, a Caribic steel drum, an African rain stick, Scandinavian wood blocks, sounds from the Amazon jungle and samples of Bavarian waterfalls and you can make ONE song with them...just as an example...I don't have to learn everything about dhols, steel drums, rain sticks, wood blocks, jungle animals and physics of waterfalls...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:22 pm

RunBeerRun wrote:I always physically play my parts, who wants to listen to what is essentially mouse clicks on a grid?

I reckon I would if I could as well, but I run into one problem...drums...I dont play drums, I dont think my neighbors in this building would be all that keen on me playing drums and I really have no space for a drumkit. I write basically for things to play guitar on, I dont mind using a few mouse clicks for backing tracks

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:25 pm

Same problem here, I use a Wii wireless controller and a joystick footpedal. The Wii gives me motion detection for a single drum in each hand, and the buttons on it for the rest, not as realistic for feel but it's the best I can come up with.

Josmoker · Post by **Josmoker** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:28 pm

I think that a lot of great art (including music of course

) was created by experimenting and building on existing "resources" and that some creativity can be lost by "knowing everything". Of course knowing nothing doesn't exactly help either.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:38 pm

There are at least 999 great REAL music instruments in this world that I still cannot play. But I cannot learn them all in a few decades. And even if I could, if I were 85 years old and could finally play all instruments, I wouldn't have much more time to actually play them...

Great composers like Michael Cretu work mainly with samples, too. He doesn't play all instruments of the world, he's mainly a keyboard (and piano) player...

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:38 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:I'm a tourist in more than 190 countries on this planet Earth, and I'm happy about it!

If I'd like to make real 100 % authentic Indian music, I'd go to India and learn making Indian music for decades. But that's not my intention...

That's the great thing nowadays: You can take samples of an Indian dhol, a Caribic steel drum, an African rain stick, Scandinavian wood blocks, sounds from the Amazon jungle and samples of Bavarian waterfalls and you can make ONE song with them...just as an example...I don't have to learn everything about dhols, steel drums, rain sticks, wood blocks, jungle animals and physics of waterfalls...

That's the perfect flipside to what I was saying. You don't need to learn everything, just the stuff that's at the core of what you do. If Indian vocals became a big part of your music, say you were using them in every track, it's probably a sign you should look into it - as far as you feel the need to. But at the end of the day sometimes sampling is just about taking sounds in the abstract, and that it's-self is the art you should be studying in that case.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon May 26, 2014 12:18 am

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Mon May 26, 2014 12:24 am

ghettosynth wrote:

I like that guys videos way too much.
His newest one is also really cool.

Cheers
Dennis

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Mon May 26, 2014 3:50 am

Life is too short to worry about loopdeeloops and such.

Having a tractor roll over on me taught me a few things....booouuuy....

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Mon May 26, 2014 3:54 am

ghettosynth wrote:Discipline, concentration, mast...

Imagine you flipped to the sports channel, and it was all just random people on YouTube ...

Real Musicians Don't Cheat