Tracktion MIDI Editing Feedback
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- KVRer
- 28 posts since 20 Oct, 2013
Hey, Nice to know developers are on the case. I always liked Cakewalk piano roll editing as my go2. I wish Cakewalk itself was more useable, but hey. One feature it has is the "scrub" tool, where you rake the cursor across notes and they play in the tempo of your own movement. You are not starting the sequencer. Cakewalk allows key shortcuts so once you memorize those you can switch qwik between draw, select, scrub, erase.
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- KVRist
- 229 posts since 14 Nov, 2003 from Florida - United States
Loving Tracktion 4! I think it is indispensable to have a "midi event list" since a lot of midi files have embedded control data which at the moment, I have now way in Tracktion to edit.
There are a lot of controller events embedded in most midi files, such as PAN, VOLUME, PROGRAM CHANGE, etc... I may need to delete them or edit their values... Right now that was the showstopper for me...
There are a lot of controller events embedded in most midi files, such as PAN, VOLUME, PROGRAM CHANGE, etc... I may need to delete them or edit their values... Right now that was the showstopper for me...
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- KVRian
- 755 posts since 4 Jun, 2004
You can quite easily spot (in the midi clip) if there is any controller data. And very easy to edit or delete in the midi editor.AzureCrystal wrote:since a lot of midi files have embedded control data which at the moment, I have now way in Tracktion to edit.
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- KVRAF
- 3462 posts since 17 Sep, 2006 from Fredericksburg, VA USA
As mentioned earlier - default to selection tool
From Terry Noakes - "I personally find the midi editor bar popping in and out of view a bit annoying."
Definitely very distracting.
Studio One has a very useful feature that I wish T5 had. As you adjust the velocity of a note in the velocity lane, S1 sounds (plays) the note about twice per second.
From Terry Noakes - "I personally find the midi editor bar popping in and out of view a bit annoying."
Definitely very distracting.Studio One has a very useful feature that I wish T5 had. As you adjust the velocity of a note in the velocity lane, S1 sounds (plays) the note about twice per second.
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- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 18 May, 2003 from Sweden
Since I haven't been nagging about this for over a week ：-）：
Take folders and comp for MIDI, not just for audio! Please!
Joachim
Take folders and comp for MIDI, not just for audio! Please!
Joachim
If it were easy, anybody could do it!
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- KVRist
- 229 posts since 14 Nov, 2003 from Florida - United States
I just picked up on the fact that events with data in them show up in a different color on the list, that works for me, thank you! Still learning...frankvg wrote:You can quite easily spot (in the midi clip) if there is any controller data. And very easy to edit or delete in the midi editor.
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- KVRian
- 755 posts since 4 Jun, 2004
You can also see the controller data as grey lines in the midi clip (if the editor is closed).
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- KVRist
- 229 posts since 14 Nov, 2003 from Florida - United States
I definitely see that, what a joy this software has been, I no longer hate DAWS!frankvg wrote:You can also see the controller data as grey lines in the midi clip (if the editor is closed).
Kudos to Jules, as a software developer for 20+ years I can clearly see Tracktion is the product of an outstanding developer who did not compromise, he has forced me to take a different approach to using a DAW and as I "get it", I keep smiling at how often I get pleasantly surprised at Tracktion's context aware nature, having nothing but fun using it so far....
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 12 Mar, 2009
I've been trying Tracktion amongst other DAWs because I'm tired of Logic's bugs and bloat at the moment and Tracktion is the best DAW in terms of easy workflow. I love it for that aspect. I have been through many piano rolls. Tracktion's is quite good but there are two things that bug me compared to some other DAWs like say Reaper and Logic.
There is no mute note tool in Tracktion. I use that a lot in other apps to try different arrangements of notes without completely deleting. This is an important tool in my opinion.
The other thing which is probably what I most dislike in Tracktion is the colouring of the notes depending on velocity. In Traction it's transparency of note but this doesn't really clearly show the difference. In other apps it's full colour change. This is very clear. You should be able to choose various ways of colouring the notes depending on what you need to edit like Logic and Reaper. I know in Tracktion that you have the velocity lane but once you've used other apps that show velocity clearly with colour you don't want to go back to a separate lane of velocity.
There are probably other things in the MIDI editing that would make it better but these two are on my list of things that would force me to use Reaper instead of Tracktion.
There is no mute note tool in Tracktion. I use that a lot in other apps to try different arrangements of notes without completely deleting. This is an important tool in my opinion.
The other thing which is probably what I most dislike in Tracktion is the colouring of the notes depending on velocity. In Traction it's transparency of note but this doesn't really clearly show the difference. In other apps it's full colour change. This is very clear. You should be able to choose various ways of colouring the notes depending on what you need to edit like Logic and Reaper. I know in Tracktion that you have the velocity lane but once you've used other apps that show velocity clearly with colour you don't want to go back to a separate lane of velocity.
There are probably other things in the MIDI editing that would make it better but these two are on my list of things that would force me to use Reaper instead of Tracktion.
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 12 Mar, 2009
There's one aspect of Tracktion which kills it for me to do with MIDI. I think the new step sequencing is pretty much useless as compared to say Reaper. In Reaper you name notes which appear in the piano to the left. You can then choose to only see lanes for those notes or any notes used. The piano disappears and you get boxes with names in. You can then set it to do step sequencing but at a click go back to normal piano roll view. These names can also be saved so any new piano roll can have them imported and you're set up for say a drum machine straight away. You can always see the note names so you know what you are doing. I have a few hardware drum machines but of course this open ended and visually good method in Reaper means you can use this for scales and chords. It's the perfect implementation.
Much as I prefer Tracktion's workflow, Reaper is currently winning out over every other DAW. You have to look at how Reaper does everything. It's not perfect and has a higher learning curve but Reaper is the only DAW which essentially does everything correctly be it in a more standard workflow method rather than the more streamlined UI of Tracktion.
Much as I prefer Tracktion's workflow, Reaper is currently winning out over every other DAW. You have to look at how Reaper does everything. It's not perfect and has a higher learning curve but Reaper is the only DAW which essentially does everything correctly be it in a more standard workflow method rather than the more streamlined UI of Tracktion.
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- KVRist
- 212 posts since 26 Dec, 2007 from UK
This is what a single bar of a EZD clip looks like in Reaper. overall I much prefer Tracktion over Reaper, but I struggle with drum clips in an arrangement compared with Reaper.efflux wrote:
Much as I prefer Tracktion's workflow, Reaper is currently winning out over every other DAW. You have to look at how Reaper does everything. It's not perfect and has a higher learning curve but Reaper is the only DAW which essentially does everything correctly be it in a more standard workflow method rather than the more streamlined UI of Tracktion.
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
I couldn't agree less with that if I put on a tshirt that said "oh no it doesn't", and built a huge sandcastle with "no it really doesn't" written on a flag flying on the highest turretefflux wrote:Much as I prefer Tracktion's workflow, Reaper is currently winning out over every other DAW. You have to look at how Reaper does everything. It's not perfect and has a higher learning curve but Reaper is the only DAW which essentially does everything correctly be it in a more standard workflow method rather than the more streamlined UI of Tracktion.
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
I propose to the tracktion team to scrap how the midi clips operate especially note entry and recreate it in a way that is more intuitive. Everything else in T is out of the way for the musician, please give this a rehaul.
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- KVRian
- 755 posts since 4 Jun, 2004
'More intuïtive' is a rather vague direction.