Your host/DAW of choice (Poll)

[trimph1]

Hope so, it really doesn't deserve to end up as a flop. What i've seen of it in videos looked pretty nice.

+1.

[thunderkyss]

I'm between DAWs right now.

I went hardware a little while back. I'm one of those guys who has trouble focusing. My DAW was too slow & had dozens of rabbit holes I couldn't resist.

Right now, I'm looking for a DAW that emphasizes on creation... song writing.

I got a hold of Maschine & it's very, very close to perfect. However, being a guitar/bass player I'm looking for something that works like Maschine with audio.

I picked up Push a little while back & I'm thinking I may be able to make that work... but Maschine works better with Komplete which I use for my drums & other backing instruments (I'm trying to learn the keys).

[thunderkyss]

You can just imagine the 3 votes for bitwig and 2 votes for DP then if you want.

Is Bitwig really that unpopular? That's a shame really, after such a long time of development. Hope they don't end up in a financial fiasco.

Do they offer any kind of crossgrade? I'd imagine it's pretty hard to make money & compete with established DAWs. They're really competing with upgrade pricing.

Edit: NVM... just noticed Bitwig Studio is only $269, that's about $80 cheaper than my upgrade to Live (from Intro).

[aMUSEd]

Hope so, it really doesn't deserve to end up as a flop. What i've seen of it in videos looked pretty nice.

+1.

Personally I think right now it is way overpriced. It's very early in its development and there is still a lot of functionality missing, I think they would have got more interest if they had started out with a lower introductory price at least.

[thunderkyss]

Whoops, I got that wrong. It's $269 for their educational pricing. $399 regular.

[HobbyCore]

Hope so, it really doesn't deserve to end up as a flop. What i've seen of it in videos looked pretty nice.

+1.

Personally I think right now it is way overpriced. It's very early in its development and there is still a lot of functionality missing, I think they would have got more interest if they had started out with a lower introductory price at least.

This is especially true when you can get Ableton Live 9 suite for $425 'used'. Comparatively, bitwig is a total rip off in terms of features and content.

That doesn't of course include stability and robustness, which some people might be willing to 'pay extra' for. Which is more stable is debatable. Suspiciously they both have the same issues with ADC and PDC

[thunderkyss]

Hope so, it really doesn't deserve to end up as a flop. What i've seen of it in videos looked pretty nice.

+1.

Personally I think right now it is way overpriced. It's very early in its development and there is still a lot of functionality missing, I think they would have got more interest if they had started out with a lower introductory price at least.

This is especially true when you can get Ableton Live 9 suite for $425 'used'. Comparatively, bitwig is a total rip off in terms of features and content.

Total rip-off because it retails for $26 less than Ableton Suite used?

That's pretty tough.

I understand it's difficult to justify paying so much for Bitwig... but a "total rip-off"?

[aMUSEd]

Suspiciously they both have the same issues with ADC and PDC

Do they really? I thought one of Bitwig's chief selling points over Live was their claim to have tackled such issues.

[HobbyCore]

Hope so, it really doesn't deserve to end up as a flop. What i've seen of it in videos looked pretty nice.

+1.

Personally I think right now it is way overpriced. It's very early in its development and there is still a lot of functionality missing, I think they would have got more interest if they had started out with a lower introductory price at least.

This is especially true when you can get Ableton Live 9 suite for $425 'used'. Comparatively, bitwig is a total rip off in terms of features and content.

Total rip-off because it retails for $26 less than Ableton Suite used?

That's pretty tough.

I understand it's difficult to justify paying so much for Bitwig... but a "total rip-off"?

Consider what you get in Ableton Suite. Max4Live, Analog, Collision, Electric, Sampler, Operator, Tension, 54gb of presets/loops/whatever. Live has 40 included effects, bitwig has 25. Live's effects include fairly sought after things like Glue, amp sim, cabinet sim, grain delay, beat repeat... bitwig does not.

Sampler is $99, Tension is $99, Analog is $99, Electric is $99, Collision is $99, Operator is $99, Max for Live is $199. These prices are all competitive with 3rd party products of similar use.

The value of 'stuff' that Live Suite has that bitwig does not is worth well over $399 by any metric.

This doesn't consider whether you actually need/want the things that Live offers, or if the software works for you. However, my point was that in terms of value; bitwig is comparatively a complete rip off.


Now, we could compare it to Logic Pro X as well... that's an even more hilariously lopsided comparison

[HobbyCore]

Suspiciously they both have the same issues with ADC and PDC

Do they really? I thought one of Bitwig's chief selling points over Live was their claim to have tackled such issues.

Yes, they do. I downloaded the demo around 1.0.9 (iirc) and the ADC/PDC issues that I'm specifically aware of were present in bitwig.

There maybe some other more disastrous aspects of live's adc/pdc that I am not aware of that work correctly in bitwig.

[pdxindy]

Consider what you get in Ableton Suite. Max4Live, Analog, Collision, Electric, Sampler, Operator, Tension, 54gb of presets/loops/whatever. Live has 40 included effects, bitwig has 25. Live's effects include fairly sought after things like Glue, amp sim, cabinet sim, grain delay, beat repeat... bitwig does not.

Sampler is $99, Tension is $99, Analog is $99, Electric is $99, Collision is $99, Operator is $99, Max for Live is $199. These prices are all competitive with 3rd party products of similar use.

The value of 'stuff' that Live Suite has that bitwig does not is worth well over $399 by any metric.

This doesn't consider whether you actually need/want the things that Live offers, or if the software works for you. However, my point was that in terms of value; bitwig is comparatively a complete rip off.


Now, we could compare it to Logic Pro X as well... that's an even more hilariously lopsided comparison

I have Ableton Suite... but I already had the AAS synths... I like Operator and Sampler is ok... I like and use M4L but I wish it were better integrated and more stable. So I consider Live Suite a decent value and I am glad I have it.

Bitwig is raw, and missing some obvious stuff... and Live is more realized, with more years, refinements, has more complete devices and included instruments. However, Bitwig is compelling also.

Bitwig's integration with the clip launcher and arrangement is fundamentally better than Live. The Hybrid tracks are valuable because it allows an effective bounce in place workflow. Record a number of midi clips on a track... bounce one in place and the others work fine still. Then you can edit that audio. Bitwig's audio editing is better than Live with the way you can work with individual audio events within a clip. It is fast and fun.

Bitwig devices can be used together in ways Live's devices cannot (nesting). Modulation between Bitwig devices is at audio rate. All of Bitwig's devices are built with the underlying modular system so when v2 comes along, they will be user editable. Bitwig's modular system is better integrated than M4L. I could go on. The core functionality of Bitwig is compelling. I have not purchased yet because the initial launch was buggy and missing too much, but I expect to switch at some point...

If the clip launcher (session view) is important to someone, then Logic is not an option.

[hibidy]

Reaper is almost in the lead now!

[Muziksculp]

Looks like Studio One is in the lead !

I wonder why ?

[codec_spurt]

Suspiciously they both have the same issues with ADC and PDC

Do they really? I thought one of Bitwig's chief selling points over Live was their claim to have tackled such issues.

Yes, they do. I downloaded the demo around 1.0.9 (iirc) and the ADC/PDC issues that I'm specifically aware of were present in bitwig.

There maybe some other more disastrous aspects of live's adc/pdc that I am not aware of that work correctly in bitwig.

Yeah, I thought that too. They made a big deal of it - Bitwig, now with extra cats and NO PDC issues!

I understand roughly what that problem entails, but I can't say I've ever noticed it in Ableton so far. Then again, I do use it more for doing loops and rendering them out or for doing a live mix to a track. Would that problem still arise in the latter?

Confused.

Doesn't look like it's a problem that can be solved either if it has taken them this long.

Still, I thought Bitwig was immune to it.

[codec_spurt]

Looks like Studio One is in the lead !

I wonder why ?

I wonder why there is no Energy XT option, it's not like no one has ever heard of it, unlike 'Caustic'?