Your host/DAW of choice (Poll)

[VitaminD]

Hope so, it really doesn't deserve to end up as a flop. What i've seen of it in videos looked pretty nice.

+1.

Personally I think right now it is way overpriced. It's very early in its development and there is still a lot of functionality missing, I think they would have got more interest if they had started out with a lower introductory price at least.

I agree about the price.


And from the video carrots they showed before release, I realized it was becoming more and more complicated to approach. It looks like a NASA Engineer reworked Ableton Live to me. Quite powerful, yet convoluted.

I had the same opinion about Fast Tracker II back in the 90s.. the developer crammed so much into a single screen it was information overload for my poor brain.

Impulse Tracker 2 was far more manageable and easy to approach for me.

In any case, If they had a cut down version for a quarter of the current going price, I might be interested in it for loop mashups and the sort. Then again, I guess I could just get Live Lite and call it a day too..

[Touch The Universe]

Mixman needs a vote

[hibidy]

It's neck and neck, cubase coming in strong.......

[aMUSEd]

Suspiciously they both have the same issues with ADC and PDC

Do they really? I thought one of Bitwig's chief selling points over Live was their claim to have tackled such issues.

Yes, they do. I downloaded the demo around 1.0.9 (iirc) and the ADC/PDC issues that I'm specifically aware of were present in bitwig.

There maybe some other more disastrous aspects of live's adc/pdc that I am not aware of that work correctly in bitwig.

Yeah, I thought that too. They made a big deal of it - Bitwig, now with extra cats and NO PDC issues!

I understand roughly what that problem entails, but I can't say I've ever noticed it in Ableton so far. Then again, I do use it more for doing loops and rendering them out or for doing a live mix to a track. Would that problem still arise in the latter?

Confused.

Doesn't look like it's a problem that can be solved either if it has taken them this long.

Still, I thought Bitwig was immune to it.

Makes me wonder if the underlying problem is a consequence of the whole 'live' paradigm?

[ZenPunkHippy]

Makes me wonder if the underlying problem is a consequence of the whole 'live' paradigm?

I'll probably get flamed for this but

a) yes
b) it's because people are using Live in a way it was not really intended to be used

Problem with that is you can't control how your customers use something ... and this particular issue is causing a lot of grief ...

Peace,
Andy.

[aMUSEd]

tbh I've always seen Live as a meta instrument rather than a DAW (same as Kore) - so maybe the problem is that it's not really intended to function as a mixing DAW?

[ZenPunkHippy]

tbh I've always seen Live as a meta instrument rather than a DAW (same as Kore) - so maybe the problem is that it's not really intended to function as a mixing DAW?

Basically, yes - it's more of a live instrument than a mixing host.

It's certainly not designed to run very high latency plugins in real time!

The big clue is in the name

(but as said above, you can't really control what your customers want to do with stuff)

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

it would be interesting to see how much better 'logic' would be doing if it was still cross-platform. i have my suspicions

[fmr]

it would be interesting to see how much better 'logic' would be doing if it was still cross-platform. i have my suspicions

Not that would bother Apple very much. They are not even bothered how well Logic is doing in their own platform anymore.

[fmr]

BTW - Couldn't the OP just add Digital Performer to the list? That absence is just ridiculous, especially when we have things like Nanostudio (1), OhmStudio (1) and Mixman (0).

And Reaper is almost catching up Studio One Pro

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

it would be interesting to see how much better 'logic' would be doing if it was still cross-platform. i have my suspicions

Not that would bother Apple very much. They are not even bothered how well Logic is doing in their own platform anymore.

that might have been a valid argument a couple of years back. i am still on logic 9, but from what i have seen, apple have really been putting effort into keeping 'logic x' updated. one of their last updates had a monumental fix list

i imagine that by x.5 things could be getting more interesting. maybe by that point, they will lighten up the whole g.u.i, standardise the plugin gui's along the line of the newer efforts. we might even get to see the fruits of the buyout of redmatica

[HobbyCore]

tbh I've always seen Live as a meta instrument rather than a DAW (same as Kore) - so maybe the problem is that it's not really intended to function as a mixing DAW?

Basically, yes - it's more of a live instrument than a mixing host.

It's certainly not designed to run very high latency plugins in real time!

The big clue is in the name

(but as said above, you can't really control what your customers want to do with stuff)

There are problems with ADC, not just PDC.

ADC = things like bussing/routing and recording buffer compensation

Live and bitwig are the only 2 hosts I know of that screw up ADC.

[HobbyCore]

it would be interesting to see how much better 'logic' would be doing if it was still cross-platform. i have my suspicions

Not that would bother Apple very much. They are not even bothered how well Logic is doing in their own platform anymore.

That must be why they are releasing frequent updates. More recently updated than cubase, studio one, samplitude, sonar, etc...

Also note how massive the changelogs are for 10.0.5 and 10.0.7

[DHR53]

I still have Logic 9 and have been a long-time Logic user. I've given Live a go recently and have Live Intro but I for me, building songs is easier in a linear fashion. And I start in the arrange in Live anyway. After reading some of the reviews of Logic X at the app store, even the latest version, I was not too comfortable about upgrading from 9 to X. And looking at all my upgrade options for Live and Logic I started testing the latest Studio One... and to me, it's like the best features of a lot of DAWs in a leaner package. A lot of the stuff I used in Logic done quicker... and some of the functionality of Live with loops and external content. Overall it's like the stuff that is there is well thought out, not just a bunch of legacy items and instruments I don't use. The cpu issue I have not encountered with my machine at this point so I'm heading down a new road, and liking this option currently...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

tbh I've always seen Live as a meta instrument rather than a DAW (same as Kore) - so maybe the problem is that it's not really intended to function as a mixing DAW?

Basically, yes - it's more of a live instrument than a mixing host.

It's certainly not designed to run very high latency plugins in real time!

The big clue is in the name

(but as said above, you can't really control what your customers want to do with stuff)

There are problems with ADC, not just PDC.

ADC = things like bussing/routing and recording buffer compensation

Live and bitwig are the only 2 hosts I know of that screw up ADC.

it makes sense that 'live' has a big job ahead to make these things possible, but how did bitwig just let that go ?? if it is to be argued that these apps are only for live use, then they need to make it clear. ok, 'live' as a title is a kind of give-away, but they confused the whole issue by offering the arrange-page style layout

there should be ways of choosing behaviours, dependent on current projects. either that, or 'live' and bitwig need to cut their prices and make sure they make more of targeting the live-gigging market only. traditional daw folk will then know that it is gonna be a great scratchpad, but to think about pairing it with something else