IKM SampleTank 3 (ST3) Now Available

[xphen0m]

I'm really disheartened to hear all of this about ST3. However, when I heard the sound demos a few weeks ago, I also went "eeeeeeeeeeh" just from the sound of those.

Seems like I'd do better upgrading to Halion Sonic 2 this week.

[BBFG#]

32 core? Can you please tell me whats the name of the CPU and where to buy it?

It is 2 CPUs, each with 8 physical cores, totaling 16 physical cores which show as 32 logical cores.
In dealing with Windows 7/8, the default is to use all logical cores, but they can be disabled under msconfig in advanced options.

Intel Xeon. But the price has increased about 50% since I bought them and if you're in that market, I would suggest the newer ones available now.

[BBFG#]

I'm really disheartened to hear all of this about ST3. However, when I heard the sound demos a few weeks ago, I also went "eeeeeeeeeeh" just from the sound of those.

Seems like I'd do better upgrading to Halion Sonic 2 this week.

You shouldn't be disheartened hearing this. My given situation is somewhat of an anomaly at this point. But as time goes on and more of us start using similar components, it does have a chance of becoming more frequent. Which is my only reason in posting. In case it becomes more than a single anomaly.

[xphen0m]

I'm really disheartened to hear all of this about ST3. However, when I heard the sound demos a few weeks ago, I also went "eeeeeeeeeeh" just from the sound of those.

Seems like I'd do better upgrading to Halion Sonic 2 this week.

You shouldn't be disheartened hearing this. My given situation is somewhat of an anomaly at this point. But as time goes on and more of us start using similar components, it does have a chance of becoming more frequent. Which is my only reason in posting. In case it becomes more than a single anomaly.

It's not just your experience, it's people saying that the sounds aren't THAT great. I was hoping to use my JamPoints in crossgrading this week, but if there's this many people saying it (although now it's few) and the sound demos weren't that great either, I think I'd rather go with Hal Son 2 as the demos for that sound ace and I loved Halion Sonic 1 (and now also have Hypersonic 2). I demo'd SampleTank 2 years ago and wasn't impressed with it either. I was hoping things would be different with IK doing ST3, but....from the sound of it..........nope.

[valerian_777]

32 core? Can you please tell me whats the name of the CPU and where to buy it?

It is 2 CPUs, each with 8 physical cores, totaling 16 physical cores which show as 32 logical cores.
In dealing with Windows 7/8, the default is to use all logical cores, but they can be disabled under msconfig in advanced options.

Intel Xeon. But the price has increased about 50% since I bought them and if you're in that market, I would suggest the newer ones available now.

So your 32 core turns out to be more a programming abstraction than than an actual physical entity. Anyway, i'm afraid IKM-Support will have a hard time to spot what causes the issues on your two octa-cores & double sockets motherboard.

[BBFG#]

It's not just your experience, it's people saying that the sounds aren't THAT great. I was hoping to use my JamPoints in crossgrading this week, but if there's this many people saying it (although now it's few) and the sound demos weren't that great either, I think I'd rather go with Hal Son 2 as the demos for that sound ace and I loved Halion Sonic 1 (and now also have Hypersonic 2). I demo'd SampleTank 2 years ago and wasn't impressed with it either. I was hoping things would be different with IK doing ST3, but....from the sound of it..........nope.

Well, sound is always subjective to the user/listener. I personally like some of the sounds in the IKM library (but not all). Same is true with NI sets. It is nice to have the engines that give us the ability to pick and choose what we like from each though.

[kiezum]

If you want to use Sonik Synth, SampleMoog and Tron, the expansions and Miroslav, then the upgrade is worth the price. Because SampleTank 3 works better then ST2.5 (64 bit, VST3).

But I wouldn't buy SampleTank 3 as a new Sampler or Rompler. Halion is much better. The presets on Halion are really good! And the added synth, granual, organ, slicing, drumbox, flex-phraser etc are fantastic. And a good workflow. BTW, it works great with Cubase (note expression, drag/drop of samples etc).

[BBFG#]

32 core? Can you please tell me whats the name of the CPU and where to buy it?

It is 2 CPUs, each with 8 physical cores, totaling 16 physical cores which show as 32 logical cores.
In dealing with Windows 7/8, the default is to use all logical cores, but they can be disabled under msconfig in advanced options.

Intel Xeon. But the price has increased about 50% since I bought them and if you're in that market, I would suggest the newer ones available now.

So your 32 core turns out to be more a programming abstraction than than an actual physical entity. Anyway, i'm afraid IKM-Support will have a hard time to spot what causes the issues on your two octa-cores & double sockets motherboard.

Well, being that it is only IKM(x64) and the Notion software that has the issue, I can live without them if need be and offer what I'm experiencing for their information. The one thing they can never say again is 'they never ran into it before'. Which may be the same thing the first Mac user with a problem had to deal with when dealing with past STank2 crashes.

[BBFG#]

If you want to use Sonik Synth, SampleMoog and Tron, the expansions and Miroslav, then the upgrade is worth the price. Because SampleTank 3 works better then ST2.5 (64 bit, VST3).

But I wouldn't buy SampleTank 3 as a new Sampler or Rompler. Halion is much better. The presets on Halion are really good! And the added synth, granual, organ, slicing, drumbox, flex-phraser etc are fantastic. And a good workflow. BTW, it works great with Cubase (note expression, drag/drop of samples etc).

Of course, there is that eLicenser dongle to put up with. Which kills it for many.

[D Midas]

BBFG#
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by BBFG#; Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:11 am
Re: IKM STank 3 (ST3) Multi-core compatibility?
neverenoughfunk wrote:
BBFG# wrote:
Hey Peter,
As you know, I pre-ordered the boxed version.
One of the reasons being that I also had problems in STank2 with the Obie sounds being too quiet in comparsion to the disk loaded versions. Not sure why that is, but seeing that someone else had the problem here, thought I should mention it.

But I bought another program (Notion 4) which had the same problem as what we went through with the TRacKs and Amplitube crashing while trying to open in either Stand-alone or DAW-VST.
I was able to get it working when I disabled all but 2 cores. However, this makes everything else work marginally or not at all. Once I reset Windows(7) back to running on all cores (32), then Notion again crashes as it (and the x64 IKMs) did before.

So I'm wondering if support has done anything to improve the compatibility with multi-core? (as in more than 2). If you could pass this on to your techs and get back to me (us), I would appreciate the information.

Still stabbing away at this issue, and now keeping my fingers crossed that STank3 works where the others will not.



i have to ask... during these ST 3 threads you have indicated the likes of Omnisphere/Kontakt were not your favorite instrument/cup of tea... you talk of how products like ST 2/ST powered libraries and Dim Pro did basically all you needed musicially (if you want me to take time out to find those threads/posts i will... for the record today date is 7/27/2014... in case you want to edit them before i find them)... my question is... why would you need a 32 core machine in the first place?

just curious...because a 32 core machine is like owning a ferrari in NYC... there no place to open it up....



Perhaps, but at this point, it is besides the point. I would liken it more to having my all-wheel-drive in an urban environment. (Which works nicely when you suddenly have to run up on a curve and not be concerned whether your one drive wheel is connecting or not.)

I've actually transferred most of my instances to Kontakt at this point. But still think STank is a great product. Just not sure at this point if it can do 'all-terrain'? Maybe I'm trying to run a four wheel drive with a 50cc two cycle motorbike engine here?

Still, I find the price worth taking the chance as some of the single libraries for Kontakt are as much or up to four times as much as the upgrade. I have yet to find any compelling reason to purchase Omnisphere.


Ummmm, how about the fact that it sounds amazing? I was(probably foolishly) thinking That with the 30 gigs of sample content that sampletank might be somewhere in the neighbourhood sound wise as other "romplers" such as omnisphere or nexus. Not even close. I don't think I thought "wow" once. I opened omnisphere and kontakt beside it for some context....... And wow! I don't see sampetank getting much use. And did I miss it or is there no harp? What's a rompler without a harp?!

[kiezum]

Of course, there is that eLicenser dongle to put up with. Which kills it for many.

Yes, that's true. I've got several licenses of Halion 5 (and several dongle). No problems so far.

Other options are Kontakt (the standard!) and Omnisphere (which I don't have). But I wouldn't consider SampleTank 3 a good option.

And there's the useful Dimension Pro and Goliath.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

...and there are many saying it sounds great. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and opinions here vary too.

BBFG# I'll have support take a look at your ticket and if there is anything that could relate here to your issue I'll have them let you know.

[neverenoughfunk]

32 core? Can you please tell me whats the name of the CPU and where to buy it?

It is 2 CPUs, each with 8 physical cores, totaling 16 physical cores which show as 32 logical cores.
In dealing with Windows 7/8, the default is to use all logical cores, but they can be disabled under msconfig in advanced options.

Intel Xeon. But the price has increased about 50% since I bought them and if you're in that market, I would suggest the newer ones available now.

my i7 machine has 4 physical cores and 4 logical cores... does that make my i7 machine an 8 core machine? i ask because i never heard it referred to as 8 core machine...

[BBFG#]

32 core? Can you please tell me whats the name of the CPU and where to buy it?

It is 2 CPUs, each with 8 physical cores, totaling 16 physical cores which show as 32 logical cores.
In dealing with Windows 7/8, the default is to use all logical cores, but they can be disabled under msconfig in advanced options.

Intel Xeon. But the price has increased about 50% since I bought them and if you're in that market, I would suggest the newer ones available now.

my i7 machine has 4 physical cores and 4 logical cores... does that make my i7 machine an 8 core machine? i ask because i never heard it referred to as 8 core machine...

I have no idea, you can check under msconfig under the boot tab under advanced options and then checking the box for number of processors and pulling down the list though. I have noticed when checking CPU benchmarks that some have a 1:1 ratio while others have a 1:2 ratio. So it may be dependent on which model also? Mine does show as 32 though. I wouldn't suggest disabling any of the cores for more than testing though as it does put a strain on the system.

[antithesist]

There will be a demo version with a smaller but representative sound library too, so you have that option soon.

STANK FREE is for ME!

(and my 50GB+ of Miro+, STXL, Sonic, Moog, Tron and 15 X-Tanks)

Please don't cripple it to less than capable of running these.

Thanks!