IKM SampleTank 3 (ST3) Now Available

[basslinemaster]

it's all just arbitrary, punitive, and designed to make a little cash off those who didn't get their shit together (or worse, when tragedy strikes in some way). peter might be relaying these 'concerns' to his bosses, but i don't expect any explanation to come. as such, i'll be happy to share my theories on the type of business model ikm seems to operate. such a shame that i spent money on this, when i could have put the money to 'komplete' crossgrade a few days later.

Hear, hear. It's about trying to squeeze a little more money out of some of their existing customers, it's ridiculous, it's such a bad policy that it obviously backfires, and it speaks volumes for the mindset of whichever fool came up with the idea in the first place.

Who on Earth will buy ST3 at the full price now that we know what it's like, and what IKM are like? Komplete 9 is only £100 more, and look at how much you get with that.

Like I said before, they will never admit they are wrong, never say "We're really sorry that we charged you XYZ amount for re-downloading, we have decided to REFUND all customers who have paid a re-download fee, and remove the charges permanently." Imagine the kudos they'd get if they did that? But they won't - because some fool's ego is at stake.

And I would like to reiterate; most hosting services offer UNLIMITED bandwidth nowadays. I would link to various examples, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to on here. Just Google 'hosting unlimited bandwidth'. There is NO reason for them to charge anything at all.

[gamecat666]

Who on Earth will buy ST3 at the full price now that we know what it's like, and what IKM are like?

well we knew what IK practices were like well beforehand, to be fair.
..which is why I didnt go anywhere near the blind pre-order (no demo always raises alarm bells)
..and now will go nowhere near the 'brand new' stank3.
I bought Dimension pro for 9 quid instead.

[firepile]

Only when you Register the Serial Number are the Sound Downloads listed and the 180 days starts. if you do not Register for years then the 180 days does not start until you do. I would not be surprised if some other sounds suppliers factored the cost of average repeated downloads into their product price.

As we do not know what hosting service IK Multimedia is using then I do not see how we can know what the costs are.

Oh, come on... Where have you been? If they are using a hosting service that doesn't allow unlimited bandwidth (which would be hard to find nowadays), that's their problem, it isn't remotely difficult to find one. In other words, there are NO cos

Of course there are costs involved. You get what you pay for. There is nothing like "unlimited free bandwidth". I wouldn't trust a company that offers "unlimited" anything.

[kbaccki]

Yes, there is no such thing as infinitely unlimited bandwidth. Bandwidth costs money, and whether or not it's incredibly cheap, it still takes electricity, and maintence, and infrastructure upgrades, and salaries to "run the internet". Anybody who thinks they're ISP or wireless company is giving them "unlimited" anything, I challenge you to set up a 200GB per day download, and see how many days you get to before your ISP sends you an email.

[Phorous]

Right now Amazon Web Services costs $0.12 per GB sent out at the bottom tier...

33GB * $0.12 = $3.96

Hardly free. The higher tier users can get up to half of that off, but the fact remains that the costs are very real. All the hosting companies offering 1000's of GB bandwidth for a low cost are just subsidized from all the people who barely use anything. Bandwidth isn't free, someone has to foot the bill for it, whether that is the user or IK.

[jrides]

Well along the lines of the curent rants, I have a couple of questions.

1. Do I understand correctly that the sounds included with ST3 do not have keyswitching already implemented? Are we going to be expected to purchase packs that implement this? I just read the post about the Bass vs HS2, and was completely thrown off. Based on the advertising, my understanding was the included sounds took advantage of this feature. Otherwise, I would have never purchased ST3. Im not talking synth sounds here. I mean the instruments you would expect to have keyswitching out of the box. Guitar, Bass, Strings, Horns, Piano, Winds, Choirs, etc. Can someone clarify?


2. I registered Total Studio 3 not long ago in anticipation of ST3, and have not been able to download my sounds. I have lost 19 of the 180 days. Contacted support. If it turns out there is an issue with my account, lets see if they turn the clock back. I do agree that the 180 day thing with a fee to download afterwards, is a poor route.

Haven't registered ST3. ST2 isn't even sorted out.

[jsp1979]

Well along the lines of the curent rants, I have a couple of questions.

1. Do I understand correctly that the sounds included with ST3 do not have keyswitching already implemented? Are we going to be expected to purchase packs that implement this? I just read the post about the Bass vs HS2, and was completely thrown off. Based on the advertising, my understanding was the included sounds took advantage of this feature. Otherwise, I would have never purchased ST3. Im not talking synth sounds here. I mean the instruments you would expect to have keyswitching out of the box. Guitar, Bass, Strings, Horns, Piano, Winds, Choirs, etc. Can someone clarify?

On the IK site where the sounds for ST3 are listed you'll see a box with KS in it for those that have keyswitching.

The basses don't have any KS patches, but a number of the other categories do.

Link: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/sa ... k-3-sounds

[LAGinz]

Yeah, I've seen those KS initials next to some of the instruments. I've also seen some other initials. What do those other ones mean?

[jsp1979]

VS=velocity switching
MW=modwheel

Basically, the they offer the same articulations as the keyswitch patches, but the changes in articulation are due to velocity or mod wheel instead.

[bigcat1969]

The mod wheel is a clever idea. Thanks for making me think of it IKM. I'm slowly messing with a piano with staccatto, normal and sustain samples and I'm thinking I can do some clever things with mod wheel and sustain pedal. Once the import samples stuff gets cleared up, I hope I can import it to Sampletank.

[dnekm]

What exactly is the problem with importing samples? Innocent question here.... ;D

[mhog]

What exactly is the problem with importing samples? Innocent question here.... ;D

Importing samples in ST3 is a real pain, the importing feature is really too limited. I understand ST is not a sampler, but ST3 is even more limited than ST2. When you imported samples in ST2 it stretched them chromatically for you (sometimes it worked, sometimes not). Let's say I have two samples (C1-C6): while importing them in ST2 I get a chromatic scale (from C1-C6), in ST3 I only have two single "1 note" zones (meaning: one sound for one sample: C1 and C6, the rest is empty)! There is no way to stretch the zones, so the only way to build a patch in ST3 is importing one sample for every note: C1-C5 means: 61 samples! Not even most of Kontakt patches need that! Besides, it does not seem to read velocity zones (e.g. two samples: C1-80 and C1-127). The only way to build a playable patch (stretched and with velocity zones) is to import them in ST2 first and once built as a "sth-sti-stw" convert it in ST3. If you have old AKAI patches, too. ST3 imports only WAV/AIFF. Nothing else.

[dnekm]

Thank you for that....

[glokraw]

regarding download$, every commercial project with a responsible beancounter, factors in all aspects of business infrastructure, and market forces, to derive a price. And adjustments may soon follow,
depending on the accuracy of the first price, and any response
by competitors. Just because NI doesn't charge separately in some
use cases, doesn't mean the price hasn't been pre-paid by all,
on behalf of the few.

I think IK's policy is a just sad remnant of the past, there are one-man shops who have no timed restrictions to download purchased sounds.
These sole-proprietors have calculated the costs, because
'the buck stops there', at their house.

If IK didn't want to charge $103.99, because $99.95 looked so much cheaper, so be it, but it's 2014, just make the 'expired download'
use the same process as the registration limit. Send a nice email request, and receive some new reg codes in short order.
Sounds stored on a hard disk that crashes in 2016?
Send an email tale of woe, and get the current download code...
no rocket science needed

[jrides]

Well along the lines of the curent rants, I have a couple of questions.

1. Do I understand correctly that the sounds included with ST3 do not have keyswitching already implemented? Are we going to be expected to purchase packs that implement this? I just read the post about the Bass vs HS2, and was completely thrown off. Based on the advertising, my understanding was the included sounds took advantage of this feature. Otherwise, I would have never purchased ST3. Im not talking synth sounds here. I mean the instruments you would expect to have keyswitching out of the box. Guitar, Bass, Strings, Horns, Piano, Winds, Choirs, etc. Can someone clarify?

On the IK site where the sounds for ST3 are listed you'll see a box with KS in it for those that have keyswitching.

The basses don't have any KS patches, but a number of the other categories do.

Link: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/sa ... k-3-sounds

Thank you very much!