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glokraw wrote:regarding download$, every commercial project with a responsible beancounter, factors in all aspects of business infrastructure, and market forces, to derive a price. And adjustments may soon follow,
depending on the accuracy of the first price, and any response
by competitors. Just because NI doesn't charge separately in some
use cases, doesn't mean the price hasn't been pre-paid by all,
on behalf of the few.

I think IK's policy is a just sad remnant of the past, there are one-man shops who have no timed restrictions to download purchased sounds.
These sole-proprietors have calculated the costs, because
'the buck stops there', at their house.

If IK didn't want to charge $103.99, because $99.95 looked so much cheaper, so be it, but it's 2014, just make the 'expired download'
use the same process as the registration limit. Send a nice email request, and receive some new reg codes in short order.
Sounds stored on a hard disk that crashes in 2016?
Send an email tale of woe, and get the current download code...
no rocket science needed :roll:
... Or maybe many here ignore IKM is an italian company. Italian taxes are very high (the highest in Europe) and absurdly complex: in Italy you have to pay taxes for everything. It's italian bureaucracy, you can't escape. For instance, if you own a bar or a shop, you have to pay a tax for the shadow (yes: the shadow) that falls on the road. If you want to sell or even donate your car to someone else, you have to pay a 500€ tax. If you want to go mushrooming, you have to pay a tax before. You want to expose the italian flag? Another tax (140€). You own a TV? You have to pay a tax because you own it (i mean: a tax on the object, not the tv license fee: this exists, too). When someone dies, there is a tax to be paid, called "constatazione di decesso" ("death ascertainment"), it costs 36€. And so on...

Besides: Italy has currently the highest taxation levels on companies in the EU and one of the highest in the world. Example: while in the U.S. a company has to pay 46% taxes, in Italy you have to pay 69%.

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mhog wrote:
glokraw wrote:regarding download$, every commercial project with a responsible beancounter, factors in all aspects of business infrastructure, and market forces, to derive a price. And adjustments may soon follow,
depending on the accuracy of the first price, and any response
by competitors. Just because NI doesn't charge separately in some
use cases, doesn't mean the price hasn't been pre-paid by all,
on behalf of the few.

I think IK's policy is a just sad remnant of the past, there are one-man shops who have no timed restrictions to download purchased sounds.
These sole-proprietors have calculated the costs, because
'the buck stops there', at their house.

If IK didn't want to charge $103.99, because $99.95 looked so much cheaper, so be it, but it's 2014, just make the 'expired download'
use the same process as the registration limit. Send a nice email request, and receive some new reg codes in short order.
Sounds stored on a hard disk that crashes in 2016?
Send an email tale of woe, and get the current download code...
no rocket science needed :roll:
... Or maybe many here ignore IKM is an italian company. Italian taxes are very high (the highest in Europe) and absurdly complex: in Italy you have to pay taxes for everything. It's italian bureaucracy, you can't escape. For instance, if you own a bar or a shop, you have to pay a tax for the shadow (yes: the shadow) that falls on the road. If you want to sell or even donate your car to someone else, you have to pay a 500€ tax. If you want to go mushrooming, you have to pay a tax before. You want to expose the italian flag? Another tax (140€). You own a TV? You have to pay a tax because you own it (i mean: a tax on the object, not the tv license fee: this exists, too). When someone dies, there is a tax to be paid, called "constatazione di decesso" ("death ascertainment"), it costs 36€. And so on...

Besides: Italy has currently the highest taxation levels on companies in the EU and one of the highest in the world. Example: while in the U.S. a company has to pay 46% taxes, in Italy you have to pay 69%.
There must be some advantage for IK to stay in Italy, otherwise they would do what every other corporation does: move to a more favourable location. Very easy to move capital around in the age of globalization. IK also has offices in the US. Seems that would be a more favourable place for headquarters.
“The Generals sat, and the lines on the map, moved from side to side.”
― Pink Floyd

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mhog wrote:Or maybe many here ignore IKM is an italian company. Italian taxes are very high (the highest in Europe) and absurdly complex
it isn't really relevant, as no company would not factor this cost into their whole pricing structure.

if everyone backed up their data, on multiple drives, over multiple locations (to deal with fire or theft losses), would ikm suddenly find themselves unable to pay tax ??

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glokraw wrote:Just because NI doesn't charge separately in some
use cases, doesn't mean the price hasn't been pre-paid by all,
on behalf of the few
it makes sense for a company that relies on internet distribution to factor the cost of this into their prices. i don't see that as unfair. with NI, there is no NFR policy, no license xfer cost, and no cost to re-download, whatever the reason. so, it ends up balancing out rather well

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Please be advised, this thread is NOT the place to be discussing taxes.
mhog wrote:
... Or maybe many here ignore IKM is an italian company. Italian taxes are very high (the highest in Europe) and absurdly complex: in Italy you have to pay taxes for everything. It's italian bureaucracy, you can't escape. For instance, if you own a bar or a shop, you have to pay a tax for the shadow (yes: the shadow) that falls on the road. If you want to sell or even donate your car to someone else, you have to pay a 500€ tax. If you want to go mushrooming, you have to pay a tax before. You want to expose the italian flag? Another tax (140€). You own a TV? You have to pay a tax because you own it (i mean: a tax on the object, not the tv license fee: this exists, too). When someone dies, there is a tax to be paid, called "constatazione di decesso" ("death ascertainment"), it costs 36€. And so on...

Besides: Italy has currently the highest taxation levels on companies in the EU and one of the highest in the world. Example: while in the U.S. a company has to pay 46% taxes, in Italy you have to pay 69%.

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I'd figure IK would just find someway to avoid paying taxes, like everyone else in Italy.... <runs and ducks> :D
“The Generals sat, and the lines on the map, moved from side to side.”
― Pink Floyd

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Bombadil wrote:There must be some advantage for IK to stay in Italy, otherwise they would do what every other corporation does: move to a more favourable location. Very easy to move capital around in the age of globalization. IK also has offices in the US. Seems that would be a more favourable place for headquarters.
"Corporation"?... As far as I know, IKM has 15 (fifteen) employees in Modena (Italy). I guess some disagreeable IKM policies have something to do with italian bureaucracy, you can't escape. Example: Sampletank is 100€? 69€ go to the State, 31€ to IKM. The "re-download" tax must be a consequence of italian weird fiscal system, for sure.

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el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
mhog wrote:Or maybe many here ignore IKM is an italian company. Italian taxes are very high (the highest in Europe) and absurdly complex
it isn't really relevant, as no company would not factor this cost into their whole pricing structure.

if everyone backed up their data, on multiple drives, over multiple locations (to deal with fire or theft losses), would ikm suddenly find themselves unable to pay tax ??
THIS (on IKM site):

Sounds expired? You can reactivate ALL of your sounds downloads access by purchasing 1 (one) "Download Reactivation Credit" in IK Multimedia's webstore. Reactivation will open download access for 180 days for all registered products. Once you have purchased it, please copy the reactivation code which you have received by email and paste it on the field above. Then click on Reactivate button. We do suggest to backup the sounds to DVD or an external hard drive for future installs.


The "180 days" smells like italian weird fiscal rules/web laws :roll: Otherwise, IKM would not "do" suggest to backup the sounds for future installs.

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basslinemaster wrote:Who on Earth will buy ST3 at the full price now that we know what it's like, and what IKM are like?
FWIW, it was years before IK did another sale on T-RackS CS Grand after the initial release sale. Even then, the prices in that second sale weren't much different from the initial release sale. ST3's future sales trajectory could very well follow along those same lines.

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mhog wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
mhog wrote:Or maybe many here ignore IKM is an italian company. Italian taxes are very high (the highest in Europe) and absurdly complex
it isn't really relevant, as no company would not factor this cost into their whole pricing structure.

if everyone backed up their data, on multiple drives, over multiple locations (to deal with fire or theft losses), would ikm suddenly find themselves unable to pay tax ??
THIS (on IKM site):

Sounds expired? You can reactivate ALL of your sounds downloads access by purchasing 1 (one) "Download Reactivation Credit" in IK Multimedia's webstore. Reactivation will open download access for 180 days for all registered products. Once you have purchased it, please copy the reactivation code which you have received by email and paste it on the field above. Then click on Reactivate button. We do suggest to backup the sounds to DVD or an external hard drive for future installs.


The "180 days" smells like italian weird fiscal rules/web laws :roll: Otherwise, IKM would not "do" suggest to backup the sounds for future installs.
it sounds more like "a year is too long, let's pick half a year... 365/2=182.5 - boy that's ugly, lets pick the closest round number" to me.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.

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Uncle E wrote:
basslinemaster wrote:Who on Earth will buy ST3 at the full price now that we know what it's like, and what IKM are like?
FWIW, it was years before IK did another sale on T-RackS CS Grand after the initial release sale. Even then, the prices in that second sale weren't much different from the initial release sale. ST3's future sales trajectory could very well follow along those same lines.
Or more so that SampleTank 3 is not at full price right now and won't be for nearly two months (so nobody can buy it at full price right now... I guess the answer is indeed "nobody" but for different reasons than thought). I understand how these particulars are missed, even if they are stated in every SampleTank 3 news piece that we've published and countless times on forums :) Full price is not in effect until September 30th so there's going to be a good period of time before it returns to anything near preorder pricing which is why we offered it at that price for that long and gave people the opportunity to get in there. The people who make their living making music are the ones that will typically buy either at the great preorder or introductory pricing or at full price because they will recoup that investment in short order, so there's at least one group that historically purchases software at a price point that meets their needs. Many also get in early and actually use the software and have the satisfaction of getting that value out of their purchase.

The latest news posted on our site that details the pricing and indicates that SampleTank 3 will not be full price until September 30th is here since it seems some missed it: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=4464

I hope that, along with Uncle E's post quoted above, helps. I do appreciate the interest from those that have not yet purchased SampleTank 3 which affords the opportunity to clear up these details that appear to confuse them.

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Well I asked support about host automation or the complete lack of.

I may as well of asked David Cameron to start collecting the billions in unpaid tax by the super rich.

It was a waste of time. :dog:

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topaz wrote:Well I asked support about host automation or the complete lack of.

I may as well of asked David Cameron to start collecting the billions in unpaid tax by the super rich.

It was a waste of time. :dog:
It was sent along to the developers, this didn't seem like such an unsavory response?
I'll pass that request back to them.

regards
If he wrote you with anything else that may be considered rude, off-putting, or otherwise unsavory please send it to me as I'm not seeing that.

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After filling a lengthy form all I got was a confirmation stating host automation was not implemented.

I already knew that.

After all this time sampletank is still using midi automation only.

What a design oversight.

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I understand that you feel that way and in no way minimize it. However, your request has been sent to the appropriate people so it is now in their hands at least, if it weren't then it wouldn't have a chance of getting implemented. Thank you for sending it in.

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