IKM SampleTank 3 (ST3) Now Available

[bluedad]

Sad to hear that ST3 doesn't sound any better than ST2.
A few yrs ago I was gigging, and used a laptop to run vst's to complement my Motif.
I tried using Sampletank, but the Motif just pissed all over it. Couldn't use it.
(But Zebra, B4 and Imposcar did very well)

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

i guess ikm were treading a fine line. if they made the stock sounds as good as they should/could have been, then they would be cutting potential revenue for add-on libraries (up where that cart icon sits)

however, it's all of the rest of the issues that are somewhat baffling at this stage of the game

[mhog]

I've always customized my vst patches. For instance, I only use 120 patches out of the thousands in Omnisphere. Of course you have to try all of them before to realize you won't ever use 5000+ patches, besides many of them are often clones, almost identical apart one parameter. The same for Sylenth1 (about 60 patches), full of identical "supersaws" named in fantastic different ways, but sounding identical. Alchemy is another example: most of the factory patches are unusable for me. My custom ST2 library was about 2gb out of 30gb (taken from the factory one, samplemoog, miroslav, sonicsynth, sampletron and a dozen of expansion). So, for me the ST3 has been very easy to explore and customize: I don't need the pianos, because I own pianoteq. I don't even need the drumkits, because of Battery 3. What I like in ST3 is the workflow and the 90s Workstation feeling (great results thanks to multis + efx chain + a few mb samples). On the contrary, there are some "1.5 gb" patches (pianos and pads) which I think are rather useless, since people will always react like: "oh, don't waste your time with it, listen to 20gb ultimate kontakt piano library" and such. ST3 is "The Ultimate 90s style Workstation", that's what it is. In this perspective, it is a great product.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

He was in Italy during a tour, and I'm glad we didn't give him a penny for his efforts with SampleTank 3 demos, etc so at least that puts some perspective on that vs the assumptions we're reading here.

On automation - while other parameters could indeed be automatable (we're fielding some requests and have looked further into it ourselves), even if with MIDI learn it takes almost literally 4 seconds to control almost any parameter you want, stating ST3 has no host automation is a bit unclear for those that may end up thinking it offers no automation at all. It does quite a lot and will likely have some evolution of these features in the future on top of what it already does.

You'd think it was almost all negative if you only read about SampleTank 3 here but other users are enjoying it and are saying things like "Been using Sample Tank 3 for the past two weeks. IK Multimedia really got this one right. Almost worth the wait. Such a great interface, really, really good sounds. Total winner." and we're getting a lot of good discussions (yes, along with some very valid and constructive ideas so it isn't a 100% love-fest and you can be assured that no famous sponsors you don't trust are chiming in there) on our forum http://www.ikmultimedia.com/forum (which is not where that quote I just posted came from, FYI).

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

You'd think it was almost all negative if you only read about SampleTank 3 here

actually, it's pretty balanced. if anything, it still seems weighed to the positive

of course, it's a shame you can't take that as it is, rather than continuing courting positive opinion (that, apparently, renders all dissenting opinions as invalid) without question. are you sure that it's a "total winner" ?? that's no more valid, given the reactions thus far, than for anyone to state that it's a worthless piece of sh*t. and have "IK Multimedia really got this one right" ?? of course, they are the opinions of one user, and he has the right to them. doesn't make a bit of difference to those who are disappointed

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

maybe... that is how it should be advertized... "Ultimate 90s Style Workstation"...

but those 3d renders ?? they're the future

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

el-bo, I'm not courting only positive opinion and mention (and relay) constructive criticism and ideas are definitely on the radar of the people who can enact change. That's a good thing and I surely didn't mean to imply that wasn't the case. I also understand some are disappointed, that's not unclear to me or to others here at IK and is again on the radar for future updates as well as sounds etc. We'll be going forward with some sound expansions as noted but I believe there will also be at least one sound update in the future. So we're listening.

By the way, the takeaways from that quote were really "Such a great interface, really, really good sounds." compared to the ones you cherry-picked. Just saying.

Edit - you are welcome to stop by our forum (I know you love when I point you to resources other than KVR) for a lot more SampleTank 3 discussion, definitely not all positive in the least, and definitely also on the radar of IK's development, project management, and management teams. http://www.ikmultimedia.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

I've also made some changes to ensure that no forum requires login to read (only to post, as is typical) so that it is all there even if you don't want to log in with your IK account or you don't have one. "You" not being you specifically, as I know you do have one obviously.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

to be honest... the number one phrase i read over at the ik multimedia's website is... "please contact support"...



when my box version does come... "please contact support" is the last thing i want to hear...

Yes, when you have a problem with software and the user-to-user discussion isn't resolving your problem, it is a terrible thing to refer you to the people who are there to specifically help you with such issues...

[neverenoughfunk]

to be honest... the number one phrase i read over at the ik multimedia's website is... "please contact support"...



when my box version does come... "please contact support" is the last thing i want to hear...

Yes, when you have a problem with software and the user-to-user discussion isn't resolving your problem, it is a terrible thing to refer you to the people who are there to specifically help you with such issues...

i must have miss understood... i thought if i went to the ik multimedia's website all i would see is how great the product was... i may be wrong... but calling support with a problem... and there are a ton of threads that read... "contact support"... one would think individuals are having issues with the product... with the 10 years in development... and the 6 month delay... if you think about it... reading "contact support"... is a negitive...

i forgot...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

el-bo, I'm not courting only positive opinion and mention (and relay) constructive criticism and ideas are definitely on the radar of the people who can enact change. That's a good thing and I surely didn't mean to imply that wasn't the case. I also understand some are disappointed, that's not unclear to me or to others here at IK and is again on the radar for future updates as well as sounds etc. We'll be going forward with some sound expansions as noted but I believe there will also be at least one sound update in the future. So we're listening.

By the way, the takeaways from that quote were really "Such a great interface, really, really good sounds." compared to the ones you cherry-picked. Just saying.

Edit - you are welcome to stop by our forum (I know you love when I point you to resources other than KVR) for a lot more SampleTank 3 discussion, definitely not all positive in the least, and definitely also on the radar of IK's development, project management, and management teams. http://www.ikmultimedia.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

I've also made some changes to ensure that no forum requires login to read (only to post, as is typical) so that it is all there even if you don't want to log in with your IK account or you don't have one. "You" not being you specifically, as I know you do have one obviously.

if i cherry-picked, it was only in your favour. but, here goes.....from first look, the interface still looks a bit cramped (imo), and has a dated browser. and the sounds ?? come on man !! from everything i have seen and heard, some seem to be good, some are passable, and some are dire.

it all has to be about the expansions. otherwise i don't get it. when stank2 came out, realism was still a long way off. in recent years, however, a powerful enough computer, a large enough hard drive and a kopy of kontakt gets you access to sounds that, to all intents and purposes, ARE real. to put things in perspective, the main drum library i use, comes in at 15gig for just 2 kits. i'm not playing a mine-is-bigger-so-it's-better kind of game, but the reality is that this is what people have become used to. given this, i would think it almost unfair to compare stank with the competition, were it not for all the hyperbole, and advertising, that made it seem that it was going to be really something special

it's 33gb for a 90's workstation/bread 'n' butter/gm style library, boasting 4000 instruments, tons of loops etc. so, you can see why maybe pitching it so high has left most with some disappointment

and why oh why do i need to go to ik's support forum ?? you have no interest in my opinion here (not that you should). you seem to have free reign over here, despite not having a specific support forum on kvr, and yet you keep trying to drag us away, or show us how great non-kvr-ists think ik is. you think you're getting a hard time here ?? be grateful. it's not the people who think it's the best thing they've ever heard that are gonna help you on the road to improving this to maybe be worthy of some of the hyperbole, and at least a few of those years of development

[mhog]

i must have miss understood...

[blueman]

You'd think it was almost all negative if you only read about SampleTank 3 here but other users are enjoying it....

This is your perception only; I perceive the reviews to be mostly fair, with only a few ppl giving exclusively negative feedback. I understand the need to defend your company -- I would do the same -- but in fact, the product is just not (completely) what was expected or advertised. It is what it is, and it has significant shortcomings. It also has great potential, and some nice features. I think it's a few releases out from what it could be though

[neverenoughfunk]

i must have miss understood...

not sure what this means... could you please enlighten me...

thanks in advance...

[Uncle E]

i must have miss understood...

not sure what this means... could you please enlighten me...

Maybe they're winners of the Miss Tiffany's Universe beauty pageant.

[dsan@mail.com]

Oh come on guys.

Even I got that one.

It's Miss Understood

"I MUST have Miss Understood"

Happy Musiking!
dsan