IKM SampleTank 3 (ST3) Now Available
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
It has absolutely minimum host automation, and for a high end plugin (the price tag certainly suggests that) that is poor to say the least.
It wouldn't be so bad if the macro controls could be customised but they are hard wired.
Midi automation is only one way, hit record and turn some knobs And nothing gets recorded, nothing gets sent to an external controller so no recall.
It wouldn't be so bad if the macro controls could be customised but they are hard wired.
Midi automation is only one way, hit record and turn some knobs And nothing gets recorded, nothing gets sent to an external controller so no recall.
Peter - IK Multimedia wrote: On automation - while other parameters could indeed be automatable (we're fielding some requests and have looked further into it ourselves), even if with MIDI learn it takes almost literally 4 seconds to control almost any parameter you want, stating ST3 has no host automation is a bit unclear for those that may end up thinking it offers no automation at all. It does quite a lot and will likely have some evolution of these features in the future on top of what it already does.
Last edited by topaz on Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:37 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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- KVRAF
- 3071 posts since 29 Sep, 2005
I thought maybe you were running tests to see how fast you could type.
Happy Musiking!
dsan
My DAW System:
W7, i5, x64, 8Gb Ram, Edirol FA-101
W7, i5, x64, 8Gb Ram, Edirol FA-101
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
14 years using kvr and I have never had that problem, the f**king edit button is too close to the quote button on iphone 
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- KVRAF
- 3071 posts since 29 Sep, 2005
FWIW, it's not much better on the iPad either 
Happy Musiking!
dsan
Happy Musiking!
dsan
My DAW System:
W7, i5, x64, 8Gb Ram, Edirol FA-101
W7, i5, x64, 8Gb Ram, Edirol FA-101
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
I don't type I talk to it 
hibidy wrote:I can't imagine typing from an iphone
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- KVRAF
- 20807 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Google "Miss Tiffany's Universe" and you'll see that his initial post may have actually been even more clever than that.dsan@mail.com wrote:"I MUST have Miss Understood"
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- KVRAF
- 3071 posts since 29 Sep, 2005
That's grand
I must NOT have Miss Tiffany and have misunderstood
Happy Musiking!
dsan
My DAW System:
W7, i5, x64, 8Gb Ram, Edirol FA-101
W7, i5, x64, 8Gb Ram, Edirol FA-101
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- Banned
- 703 posts since 20 Oct, 2012
So, as far as I can see, the story goes like that (more or less):
(1) in 2007-2008 many requests started for a new ST version (I remember the long 3-4 years topic on IKM forum about it).
(2) in 2009 IKM realized it was impossible to port ST2 64 bit, ST3 had to be made from scratch (IK explained why in the forum).
(3) meanwhile IKM entered the "i" business, and all those "i-this" and "i-that" became their first interest. They even made "i-stk" app for ipad.
(4) however (2011-2012) many people did not lose interest in Sampletank, and kept asking for ST3. Maybe it was even because of the endless "crazy buy", "no brainer", "4 for 1" selling ST2 and its expansions coming out every month or so.
(5) As stated above, there was no way to update ST2, due to some CC+ issues or such. So IKM started to make ST3, following the two main requested features: (1) 64 bit; (2) bigger GUI.
(6) When finally ST3 came out, almost 8 years had passed and ten since ST2. In computer music it's like a century: nowadays "90s like rom workstations" are considered rather obsolete, because (a) they don't offer enough "realism" (such as those huge GBs dedicated Kontakt libraries and/or high technology physical moddeled plugins); (b) the sound are not "wow" and "cool" enough for dubstep era.
(7) Three kind of people: (a) People like me like ST3 very much, because they’ve benn using ST for years, so they know well what it is and what is isn't (and will never be). They want a "90s workstation" working more or less like an old Trinity (which force was the DSP: a few kb samples + effects chain); (b) seems there are some people who hate IKM because of their past/present policy, greed, lack of support, responsivity, honesty or smth. I've never experienced such issues with them in 10 years; (c) newbies don't understand the thing, they wonder: "what can I do whit it, since there are tons of much better XXX gb sounds and instruments out there? Why should I play the 1gb ST piano, when I can easily find those wonderful 30-40 gb dedicated piano libraries for Kontakt? Why should I limit myself with the cheap ST pseudoanalog leads, when Diva..." etc.
(8) IKM "fault" (IMHO): they had to be clearer regarding what ST3 is: "the ultimate 90s style soft rompler workstation" in the "ultrarealistic XXX GB" era. On the contrary, they wanted new customers to put attention to the "beautiful sounds" and the "30gb samples" (in the terabyte era, they had to specify: "which for a 90s rompler emulation is huge"). Consequence: people laugh at the "voices library" etc. I didn't, because those are exactly what I wanted to find in ST: fake voices, like the ones you find in the 90s-00s hardware workstations. The rest of the work is mine: multi+efx chain.
(1) in 2007-2008 many requests started for a new ST version (I remember the long 3-4 years topic on IKM forum about it).
(2) in 2009 IKM realized it was impossible to port ST2 64 bit, ST3 had to be made from scratch (IK explained why in the forum).
(3) meanwhile IKM entered the "i" business, and all those "i-this" and "i-that" became their first interest. They even made "i-stk" app for ipad.
(4) however (2011-2012) many people did not lose interest in Sampletank, and kept asking for ST3. Maybe it was even because of the endless "crazy buy", "no brainer", "4 for 1" selling ST2 and its expansions coming out every month or so.
(5) As stated above, there was no way to update ST2, due to some CC+ issues or such. So IKM started to make ST3, following the two main requested features: (1) 64 bit; (2) bigger GUI.
(6) When finally ST3 came out, almost 8 years had passed and ten since ST2. In computer music it's like a century: nowadays "90s like rom workstations" are considered rather obsolete, because (a) they don't offer enough "realism" (such as those huge GBs dedicated Kontakt libraries and/or high technology physical moddeled plugins); (b) the sound are not "wow" and "cool" enough for dubstep era.
(7) Three kind of people: (a) People like me like ST3 very much, because they’ve benn using ST for years, so they know well what it is and what is isn't (and will never be). They want a "90s workstation" working more or less like an old Trinity (which force was the DSP: a few kb samples + effects chain); (b) seems there are some people who hate IKM because of their past/present policy, greed, lack of support, responsivity, honesty or smth. I've never experienced such issues with them in 10 years; (c) newbies don't understand the thing, they wonder: "what can I do whit it, since there are tons of much better XXX gb sounds and instruments out there? Why should I play the 1gb ST piano, when I can easily find those wonderful 30-40 gb dedicated piano libraries for Kontakt? Why should I limit myself with the cheap ST pseudoanalog leads, when Diva..." etc.
(8) IKM "fault" (IMHO): they had to be clearer regarding what ST3 is: "the ultimate 90s style soft rompler workstation" in the "ultrarealistic XXX GB" era. On the contrary, they wanted new customers to put attention to the "beautiful sounds" and the "30gb samples" (in the terabyte era, they had to specify: "which for a 90s rompler emulation is huge"). Consequence: people laugh at the "voices library" etc. I didn't, because those are exactly what I wanted to find in ST: fake voices, like the ones you find in the 90s-00s hardware workstations. The rest of the work is mine: multi+efx chain.
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- KVRAF
- 4469 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
well, to be honest, i can see the appeal. not everyone wants an ultra realistic guitar - most people won't notice anyway. if you want something that sounds almost, but not quite, entirely unlike a guitar, ST3 fits the job perfectly. same for voices, same for... well, pretty much everything, except for maybe drums and basses.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- Banned
- 703 posts since 20 Oct, 2012
Well, you must consider basses and drums are the easiest instruments to emulate. That is why one can emulate a realistic bass even with a semianalog vst, FM etc. Drums are very easy, too (because of the samples, that don't need more than 1 sec. and/or looping, they are fundamentally just one shot hits with 1-2 velocities when needed). And that is why, perhaps, most of the people find them "realistic".