Tracktion Software

Rack Bitz · Post by **Rack Bitz** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:05 pm

are you about a bit later
ive got some new stuff for adbe
and some tracktion faction betas for you to try
yeah forget the pm i was being a nut

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:20 pm

Rack Bitz wrote:couldnt be more blatant now

There you go...!

Now you have had another 100 views taking it from 160+ to 250+ views in just a few hours...and more replies...good stuff.

james · Post by **james** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:30 pm

Hey!

Exactly what is it that has you guys so upset with mac users?!

Is it really so difficult to port these plugs to both platforms? Isn't that what most developers have done with software to reach the broadest audience?

Before you guys respond, please just take a minute to ask yourself this: Are you trying to contribute to the Tracktion community or to the PC community?

I, for one, have hoped from the first day of using this program that Tracktion might represent a fresh opportunity to make music regardless of silly things like platform preference.

Meanwhile, the program's practical cross-platform nature will be seriously compromised until these 3rd party apps/plugs are equally available to all users or integrated as regular features in version 2.

Last time I checked, osxaudio had more than 14000 views on the Tracktion thread. If you are really trying to contribute to the whole community, please include us. By all means, build on your native platform but at least make an effort to port to mac later.

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valley · Post by **valley** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:37 pm

james wrote:Hey!

Exactly what is it that has you guys so upset with mac users?! Is it really so difficult to port these plugs to both platforms? Isn't that what most developers have done with software to reach the broadest audience?

Are you going to buy me a mac then mate?

Before you guys respond, please just take a minute to ask yourself this: Are you trying to contribute to the Tracktion community or to the PC community?

Why don't you go buy yourself a compiler, ask nicely for the source, and port the stuff yourself.

You are bitching out people who do things for FREE because they don't do what you want??

I, for one, have hoped from the first day of using this program that Tracktion might represent a fresh opportunity to make music regardless of silly things like platform preference.

Me too, and thusfar I've been just overwhelmed at the way mac users are falling over themselves to help themselves.

I remember once asking for a simple screen shot of the mac audio config page for my guides. Not ONE mac user could find the five minutes necessary to do it, but many still bitched that my guides seemed too PC centric.

Last time I checked, osxaudio had more than 14000 views on the Tracktion thread. If you are really trying to contribute to the whole community, please include us. By all means, build on your native platform but at least make an effort to port to mac later.

I program PC because I own a PC. I'm not buying a mac to code on unless I am going to earn money from it. I have more importnat things to spend my money on. This is hardly platform snobbery, it is common sense.

PC users, should be greatful that so many of their peers have tried to help out in any way they can. As for mac users, I just see a lot of people waiting arounbd for someone else to step up to the plate.

So, here's my offer: get yourself a compiler, a programming book, and some spare time, email me, and I will help you in any way that I can to get ports of Mod's, mine, and anyone elses plugs to the mac. Fair enough?

Rack Bitz · Post by **Rack Bitz** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:42 pm

sorry theres absolutly no way this can be ported to mac at the moment

if i could i would

maybe a later version but not this sorry

i have absolutly nothing against macs at all
and i dont seem to remember ever saying i did
i dont have a mac and i dont want a mac
i use macs in some of the filmwork i do
but i build my own computers for audio
and you cant build your own mac

Mr. Tingle · Post by **Mr. Tingle** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:15 pm

Before you guys respond, please just take a minute to ask yourself this: Are you trying to contribute to the Tracktion community or to the PC community?

I think you'll find people make free stuff on the platform that they own.

offering it to half the community is better than keeping it to themselves.

The mac community aint big on doing things for free.

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:34 pm

james wrote:Hey!

Exactly what is it that has you guys so upset with mac users?! Is it really so difficult to port these plugs to both platforms? Isn't that what most developers have done with software to reach the broadest audience?

I've ported Lightwave plugins from the PC to the Mac some years ago, I no longer own a Mac or a Codewarrior license though. It's not that simple, which any professional multiplatform developer can tell you.

However, send me the money for a G5 and a Codewarrior license - shouldn't be much more than $5000-$8000 for everything I need - and I'll see about porting these. Given the passionate nature of your post, you ARE willing to invest in supporting your platform of choice, right?

james · Post by **james** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:50 pm

valley wrote:
james wrote:Hey!

Exactly what is it that has you guys so upset with mac users?! Is it really so difficult to port these plugs to both platforms? Isn't that what most developers have done with software to reach the broadest audience?

Are you going to buy me a mac then mate?

Valley, when have you ever known me to attack you or anyone else and I've been posting here since last October. You really should make an effort to distinguish the person from the platform. This is ridiculous. I only ask for some consideration. I'm not ashamed to admit that compiling is over my head. Make fun of me if that makes you feel better.

And yes, I'd buy a mac for everyone if they wanted one and I could afford it. I am not a sarcastic person. What I AM is a working artist supporting my entire family. The newest computer I own is going on 7 years old. I make do with what I have and am happy that my powerbook is still a viable machine. Say what you will.

Rack Bitz, thanks for the honest answer. I appreciate your ingenuity and truly hope that Jules will take note and make all these plugs features available to everyone at some point.

Valley, cheer up. Sorry if you took that previous post personally.

Thanks,
James
www.pearsonart.com

ost12666 · Post by **ost12666** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:58 pm

Wasn't it all created by SynthEdit anyway? So how can you port it to the Mac?

valley · Post by **valley** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:15 pm

james wrote: Valley, when have you ever known me to attack you or anyone else and I've been posting here since last October. You really should make an effort to distinguish the person from the platform. This is ridiculous. I only ask for some consideration. I'm not ashamed to admit that compiling is over my head. Make fun of me if that makes you feel better.

I'm not making fun of you. I'm serious. If you want those plugs then short of being lucky enough to find a mac coder willing to sacrifice the time, you're need to think about coming forward yourself.

I'm annoyed that you consider the only reason that some people do PC only plugs to be platform bias. Maybe you are not familiar enough with the subject to know better, but straight of the bat that comes across as a lazy and demanding attitude.

FWIW, it *isn't* easy to do mac to pc ports without the necessary investments in software and hardware. It is a problem I face at work daily: some of my department use windows, some linux, and some mac. I can support both Windows and Linux cos they both run on the same hardware, but often we run into snags where my boss wants to demonstrate a technique we have been working on and the x86 code cannot be ported to his mac powerbook. At work I simply don't have the time or mac knowledge to do the ports. At home, I lack that and the hardware.

I would *love* to see some mac users get active in the way that so many PC users have. I've said this many times before, and my offer *is*, and indeed since I've said this before, *was*, serious. Anyone who wants my help can have it.

NiallM · Post by **NiallM** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:18 pm

You know, one of the truly great things about OS X (imo) is that it actually comes with a perfectly good compiler and IDE as standard (XCode, fromerly Project Builder). I'm pretty sure this is the reason behind Microsoft releasing a command line line version of their compiler for free. The only real downside is that it takes forever to compile larger projects (e.g. my masters project currently takes 5-10 minutes to compile using XCode, as opposed to 30-60 seconds on MSVC).

The point is, anyone with OS X and a little coding experience should be able to port all the various plugins being made for Tracktion on Windows. The biggest obstacle imo is the fact that the majority of these plugins are written in Delphi for some reason

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- Niall.

valley · Post by **valley** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:19 pm

ost12666 wrote:Wasn't it all created by SynthEdit anyway? So how can you port it to the Mac?

Mod's stuff isn't SE, but the stuff that is you could port the ideas unless they are too complex to implement.

Frankly a mac version of SE would make everybody happy, but that requires mac users in general, not just Tracktion Maccers making it worthwhile to port SE or for someone to at least get try and make something similar even if not directly compatible.

valley · Post by **valley** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:22 pm

NiallM wrote:The biggest obstacle imo is the fact that the majority of these plugins are written in Delphi for some reason .

My excuse is that I use Pascal at work and from past experience I don't work well using two languages concurrently. I'd be spending all day removing printf's from my Pascal code and all night removing begin/ends from my C. And don't get me started on :=, =, and ==...

Porting code from pascal is not hard though, sans the UI stuff if the coder has used VCL, Pascal is a very easy language to read even for non-pascal programmers.

NiallM · Post by **NiallM** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:33 pm

valley wrote:Porting code from pascal is not hard though, sans the UI stuff if the coder has used VCL, Pascal is a very easy language to read even for non-pascal programmers.

Yeah, it's not hard (particularly with judicious use of search & replace

), but it's still quite a bit more work than if it was written in C++ with, say, VSTGUI (in which case, barring CFileSelector's bizarre return type on macs, all it requires is a simple re-compile).
(well actually, it's rarely as simple as a single re-compile, but you can see what I mean...)

- Niall.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:27 pm

Rack Bitz, I'm not really into mixers, but GOD DAYAM you did a really nice job! Congratulations and thanks.

All you Guerilla developers make the Tracktion community awsome. I just wish I could code something so I could contribute.

Looking forward to Tracktionfest!

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