IKM SampleTank 3 (ST3) Now Available

[Burillo]

well, they didn't provide the tool for ST2, so i doubt it'll be there for ST3. but, as you said, you never needed the function, so maybe they're right in doing so?

Really ? You're going with that ?

i'm just stating the way things are.

The main reason I never used Macros before was that the Macros knobs were tucked away on ST2's tiny GUI.

not to me they weren't. i immediately noticed them, tried to do something with them, scoured the user manual, but didn't find how to program them anywhere.

[Teksonik]

i'm just stating the way things are.

No, you were asking a question.

so maybe they're right in doing so?

And I'm answering you.......No, they aren't "right in doing so"......

not to me they weren't. i immediately noticed them, tried to do something with them, scoured the user manual, but didn't find how to program them anywhere.

So you noticed this glaring omission years ago and said nothing ? I guess that's why it's still there in version 3.....

Whether I noticed it in version 2 or not is beside the point. The point is you can't program the Macros in version 3 even though they are prominently featured on the new GUI. I'm pointing out this glaring omission now....so maybe it will be corrected in a future version..........

Again name another synth that has Macro Knobs that can't be programmed by the end user........

[blueman]

I, too, am quite shocked by the lack of user-editable Macros This was/is a major oversight that will confuse a lot of users. Another missed opportunity

[kbaccki]

I just tried setting my Sample Rate to 64 in Studio One, on Windows 7, using RME FireFace. In a complete session, containing several different VSTi and VST plugins, I was able to run SampleTank VST3 without any troubles. Are you guys using the VST3 version? Windows or Mac?

64 samples felt pretty good, and my system seemed to be able to take plenty of abuse without too much trouble Maybe I'll stick with it

Keep in mind FF 800 has a fixed 64 sample "safety buffer", for playback only. So 64 sample driver setting = 128 sample effective output latency ~ 3ms ~ 3 feet.

128 driver setting = 192 effective output latency, etc.

Also, the PCI cards will have next to no additional buffering in comparison, due to direct access to the hardware buffers (i.e., not through a transport protocol). And the more recent UCX/UFX/etc. devices have a bit smaller safety buffers... like 32 samples for UCX over USB.

[kbaccki]

Oh and keeping in line with IK Multimedia's raison d'être.....I would pay for such an "instrument creation tool".

But I thought ST3 was already the "ultimate workstation" or some such. Why would you pay more money when you've already purchased the "ultimate workstation"?

Or maybe that's what that tee-hee snicker face is for...

So... basically... ST3 is a playback engine. Is that what we're saying? A 64-bit version of ST2 with tracks and amplitude effects built in... but you can't actually do anything with it.

[jsl]

Any one who have any experience, or advice about importing Sample Tron.
I can not make it Work.
Sample Moog and E sounds capsules caused no problem.

[Burillo]

i did import SampleTron. i didn't go through the whole soundset, but a few sounds i picked were working fine.

[BBFG#]

Dated Aug. 01:

Do you have a date on when the demo will be available now?

Now that the maintenance release it is out, it should be a short wait but don't have a specific date yet. I'll let you know.

Aug. 19:
Maybe it's time for me to cut this loose...

[jsl]

I forgot to disable McaFee

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Dated Aug. 01:

Do you have a date on when the demo will be available now?

Now that the maintenance release it is out, it should be a short wait but don't have a specific date yet. I'll let you know.

Aug. 19:
Maybe it's time for me to cut this loose...

You do have that option, but we're shooting for the end of the week and it should be good to go barring any major issues.

[Teksonik]

So... basically... ST3 is a playback engine. Is that what we're saying? A 64-bit version of ST2 with tracks and amplitude effects built in... but you can't actually do anything with it.

No, I'm not saying that at all.....there's a lot you can do with it.....just not program the Macro Knobs which to be quite honest is baffling. Someone should have been smacking the guy(s) who write the code in the back of the head telling them "you have to give the end user the ability to program their own Marco assignments". Maybe somebody did and they either didn't listen or for some reason it is not technically possible. But like I said I can't think of another instrument that has Macro Knobs that can't be programmed by the end user.

You can of course still assign Midi CC's to most parameters. It's just the Macro Knobs are prominently displayed by default. There's 8 of them......I have 8 knobs on my controller. Seems like I should be able to use them as I see fit.

What caused me to discover this was on the Multis I released yesterday (to overwhelming apathy by the KVR nation ) I thought "I probably should program the Macro Knobs to do something since people have come to expect such modulation routings........but alas I discovered this is not possible and well you know the story from there.

It's not a total show stopper and if I had to do it all over again I would happily purchase the ST3 upgrade all over. I'm having tons of fun creating Multis. But just like every instrument there is always something missing that would would really like to see added....per layer Arps for example....or the ability to actually create Instruments instead of just tweak them etc. Hopefully these are things that will be added in future versions of ST3.

It just seems like there is a disconnection between the IK Developers and the User Base. They seem to be isolated by layers of "support" personnel etc. Perhaps I'm just spoiled by being able to have direct contact with the guys who write the code at companies like Synapse, Wusik, Uhe, Linplug, Camel Audio, Admiral Quality etc etc etc.........

But anyway I like ST3 very much and am happy with my purchase. Is ST3 perfect ? No, nothing is...........

[jazzin]

When I open, for example two SampleTank 3 instruments I have sound clicks.
When I turn off multithread generator processing in my DAW, everything plays beautifully.
I checked, for example three running at once kontakt instruments have a clear sound.
When I run just only two mixed instruments from IK Multimedia (I have few: Miroslav Philharmonik and SampleTron bridget and SampleTank 64bit) I have a sound clicks.
Two instances of SampleTank 3 64 bit also cause sound clicks when multithread generator processing is ON.

Guys from Fl Studio Technical Support said, quoting: "That sounds like it's not multithreadable (but that would be surprising from a famous plugin, but maybe it's a known problem on their side)"
I have a powerful enough processor and now I must work on a single core or something you can do about this ?

CPU:
I5-4670K overclocked to 4400Mhz
Esi Juli@
8GB ram
Windows 8.1 64bit
DAW - Fl Studio 11.1.0 64 bit

[Teksonik]

Guys from Fl Studio Technical Support said.......DAW - Fl Studio 11.1.0 64 bit

Have you tried selecting or deselecting "Use Fixed Size Buffers" in FL Studio ?
I've done Multis with 8 Instruments playing at the same time without a single click (Win 7 64 Bit) but I haven't tried ST3 in FL Studio 64 bit yet. There was a FL Studio bug fix update released today 11.1.1 so maybe try it to see if that helps ?

EDIT: I just tried ST3 in FL Studio 11.1.0 on Win 7 64 bit with "Multithreaded Generator Processing" checked. I used several Multis one of which had 10 instruments all playing at the same time and not one click........

( "Use fix size buffers" checked )

[blueman]

Keep in mind FF 800 has a fixed 64 sample "safety buffer", for playback only. So 64 sample driver setting = 128 sample effective output latency ~ 3ms ~ 3 feet.

Interesting; I did not know that, thanks! Where did you get this information?

[kbaccki]

I R'edTFM..

Actually, have had a ff800 myself for many many years (2004, 2005?), and it has always come up in latency related discussions... Particularly when discussing daw recording offsets w/ asio drivers etc.

And its in the manual(s) as well. Google "fireface safety buffer" or "ucx safety buffer" and you should pull up the rme product docs...

BTW, anybody interested in a home studio fireface 800? I upgraded... er downgraded... er whatever... to a UCX a few years back, and just haven't put the ol' 800 up for adoption.