KVR Audio

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:15 am

This is a newb question, I realize, but if it isn't too tedious for this thread, what is the proper way to assign basic vibrato to a patch in Serum via the mod wheel? I can assign an LFO to fine pitch and/or osc volume, but I wasn't able to figure out how to control that LFO's depth with the MW. Bet I'm missing something simple....

KBSoundSmith · Post by **KBSoundSmith** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:27 am

rustman wrote:This is a newb question, I realize, but if it isn't too tedious for this thread, what is the proper way to assign basic vibrato to a patch in Serum via the mod wheel? I can assign an LFO to fine pitch and/or osc volume, but I wasn't able to figure out how to control that LFO's depth with the MW. Bet I'm missing something simple....

No problem, we all start somewhere.

Go to the Matrix tab, and look for the column that says "Aux Source" and select the Mod Wheel there.

What you should have is an entire row that says:

LFO X -----> Amount -------> Osc Y Pitch -----> Mod Wheel

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:37 am

KBSoundSmith wrote:
No problem, we all start somewhere.

Go to the Matrix tab, and look for the column that says "Aux Source" and select the Mod Wheel there.

What you should have is an entire row that says:

LFO X -----> Amount -------> Osc Y Pitch -----> Mod Wheel

Thank you so much KB. That worked like a charm!

bitcrusher · Post by **bitcrusher** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:51 am

LFO X -----> Amount -------> Osc Y Pitch -----> Mod Wheel
Thank you so much KB. That worked like a charm!

Just a quick note you can substitute "Global->Mast.Tun" as the dest. instead of "Osc Y Pitch", to vibrato all keytracked oscs with a single mod connection.
Serum | Xfer Records

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:04 am

I "might" have a feature request for a point update sometime in the future:
The master volume changes don't appear to be saved with the patch. Some of the factory patches I've been auditioning are pretty hot, peaking the meters within Serum (maybe on purpose?). Could it possibly be that factory patches can't be saved under the same name if changes are made? I could understand not soiling the hard work of the patch designers and still being allowed to retain their carefully chosen patch names. My user patches ARE retaining their master volume settings when recalled.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:06 am

bitcrusher wrote:
LFO X -----> Amount -------> Osc Y Pitch -----> Mod Wheel
Thank you so much KB. That worked like a charm!
Just a quick note you can substitute "Global->Mast.Tun" as the dest. instead of "Osc Y Pitch", to vibrato all keytracked oscs with a single mod connection.
Serum | Xfer Records

Aaa-haaaah. That will save repeating it for possibly two Oscillators and a sub osc. Thank you Steve.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:16 am

randomize serum for waaaay out sounds

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:19 am

Ingonator wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:I've found a pretty serious bug. I notice that when I assign aftertouch to something like filter frequency I get a lot of zipper noise/clicking. Anyone else having this? I'm in Live 9 32 in Windows 8 64.
Just checked with the Serum demo and the 64-bit VST2 plugin in Live 9.1.5 64-bit (at Windows 7 64-bit).
No problem when assigning aftertouch to Cutoff here.

did you use a factory preset and if yes then which one? Maybe i could check it with that patch too.

I can't remember what patch... or if it was one of my own that I was working on, but it happens 100% of the time if you init the patch, set aftertouch to modulate filter pitch, play a C 4 and then just start scrolling though the filters. Some are worse than others, the ones with a steeper cutoff are the most noticeable. I didn't check the 64 bit version of Serum.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:31 am

4damind wrote:
bitcrusher wrote:
thats what im saying...i cant. i cant drag from outside fl studio at all..
I don't understand this, I can drag multiple files from Windows Explorer to Serum, running inside FL.. I would recommend to try again and if you still can't, maybe you can explain what happens when you try?

Steve
Serum | Xfer Records
Maybe he is running FL as administrator? Drag & Drop is not working because of security reasons if the DAW is running with administrator privileges.

this was exactly the problem. changed from running as administrator and it worked perfectly.

thanks!

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:34 am

zerocrossing wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:I've found a pretty serious bug. I notice that when I assign aftertouch to something like filter frequency I get a lot of zipper noise/clicking. Anyone else having this? I'm in Live 9 32 in Windows 8 64.
Just checked with the Serum demo and the 64-bit VST2 plugin in Live 9.1.5 64-bit (at Windows 7 64-bit).
No problem when assigning aftertouch to Cutoff here.

did you use a factory preset and if yes then which one? Maybe i could check it with that patch too.
I can't remember what patch... or if it was one of my own that I was working on, but it happens 100% of the time if you init the patch, set aftertouch to modulate filter pitch, play a C 4 and then just start scrolling though the filters. Some are worse than others, the ones with a steeper cutoff are the most noticeable. I didn't check the 64 bit version of Serum.

I noticed a similar thing when mapping AT to filter cutoff tonight as well. I tweaked the response curve on the modulation page just to see if I could smooth it out. In this case, I was having trouble making the cutoff smoothly controllable with AT. It seemed to be a bit jumpy, to the degree that I couldn't control it well. I didn't want to change the curve on my controller itself.

Edit: This may not be a fair issue to bring up. It might work perfectly with other controllers and/or AT controller curve settings. It's not a big deal breaker for me, but I thought I'd chime in.

bitcrusher · Post by **bitcrusher** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:40 am

I've found a pretty serious bug. I notice that when I assign aftertouch to something like filter frequency I get a lot of zipper noise/clicking.

I can't be sure I'm hearing what you're hearing. I have a rather subtle zippering here, there's no event smoothing on aftertouch and being that it's 7-bit means it could probably use some smoothing (like I provide for pitch bend, for example). I'll add it to the to-do list.

... It seemed to be a bit jumpy, to the degree that I couldn't control it well. ...

This is my experience with AT in general, i'd much rather use a ribbon/wheel/knob or even foot control for expression stuff. I guess can understand the appeal to two-handed players but that's about it. Funny enough the only reason it's in Serum is I've seen AT mentioned enough here on KVR (in my circles of 'electronic' musicians I don't know anyone who uses it, well, intentionally)..

randomize serum for waaaay out sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kTEiM ... UA2VhaG7rg

That's pretty cool, I had someone asking about a way to do this for VSTis in general, looks like a nice solution... thanks for sharing!

Could it possibly be that factory patches can't be saved under the same name if changes are made?

They should be able to be resaved, there's nothing "special" about factory preset files that would prevent overwrite. Maybe some sort of permissions snafu? You could change something obvious as a test, I'm not positive. There is an undocumented/unofficial feature (unofficial because it only works for items loaded from the Preset menu system) which is you can alt-click the preset save button to overwrite the loaded preset (it prompts you to ask you if you are sure).

Really enjoying hearing all of the new sounds!

-Steve
Serum | Xfer Records

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:01 am

bitcrusher wrote:
Could it possibly be that factory patches can't be saved under the same name if changes are made?
They should be able to be resaved, there's nothing "special" about factory preset files that would prevent overwrite. Maybe some sort of permissions snafu? You could change something obvious as a test, I'm not positive. There is an undocumented/unofficial feature (unofficial because it only works for items loaded from the Preset menu system) which is you can alt-click the preset save button to overwrite the loaded preset (it prompts you to ask you if you are sure).

Really enjoying hearing all of the new sounds!

-Steve
Serum | Xfer Records

Well that was simple.

I was merely saving them, which was putting the modded copies into the user folder. Alt-click did the proper overwrite that should have clicked in my head to start with. The non-issue is solved. Thanks again.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:26 am

chaosWyrM wrote:
4damind wrote:
bitcrusher wrote:
thats what im saying...i cant. i cant drag from outside fl studio at all..
I don't understand this, I can drag multiple files from Windows Explorer to Serum, running inside FL.. I would recommend to try again and if you still can't, maybe you can explain what happens when you try?

Steve
Serum | Xfer Records
Maybe he is running FL as administrator? Drag & Drop is not working because of security reasons if the DAW is running with administrator privileges.
this was exactly the problem. changed from running as administrator and it worked perfectly.

thanks!

You are welcome

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:14 am

Adding to the upcoming overkill of Serum soundsets, here is the pre-order announcement for my first take, Sonic Tabulator, the KVR Soundware thread is here.

Sequels will follow, this synth is inspiring and fresh!

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:53 am

Official Serum thread!