Give me the WoW factors of Reason 8, pls

[KarmaShaman]

Interesting rule. How do you know if you're likely to buy them without trying them out first?

This decision came about after trying the Etch Red filter on a whim when I was in no position to give it a good evaluation. Now that I am interested in seeing what the device can do (my interest in effects has changed) I dont have the chance to give it a good spin.

As for "how would I know"... its desire-based. For example Im not likely to try one of the CV utilities when I dont know what CV is all about. And while some of the top dollar synths may be great, i'm not getting the urge because there's other things on the wishlist that take priority in my studio.

The softube amps may well be awesome but im sure the Eleven rack offers more tones. Its not a drawcard for buying v8 because for me, not only do I view the release as poor value, but for me it actually sounds counter productive! As I mentioned previously, even if it was a free upgrade I would still be inclined to stick with v7.

For those wondering if the softube amps are a limited offer... that has not been mentioned, and Reason will need to have options for guitarists.... so the only way they will disappear is if the business arrangement changes... I would like to think that Props legal counsel looked at the contract properly after the Line6 debacle

[Tronam]

The softube amps may well be awesome but im sure the Eleven rack offers more tones. Its not a drawcard for buying v8 because for me, not only do I view the release as poor value, but for me it actually sounds counter productive! As I mentioned previously, even if it was a free upgrade I would still be inclined to stick with v7.

For those wondering if the softube amps are a limited offer... that has not been mentioned, and Reason will need to have options for guitarists.... so the only way they will disappear is if the business arrangement changes... I would like to think that Props legal counsel looked at the contract properly after the Line6 debacle

It's not limited. They'll be included with all future versions.

Eleven rack looks great. I'd say expensive, but I've spent 2 grand on a hardware synth before, so I'm not one to talk. Had a chance to try it out yet?

[KarmaShaman]

The Eleven rack is now available 'unbundled' so youre no longer required to buy ProTools. I think the hardware itself is only about $400.

I have not tried it out. But I know a studio where I can, so I might try and get in there soon and have a blast.

[trimph1]

The Eleven rack is now available 'unbundled' so youre no longer required to buy ProTools. I think the hardware itself is only about $400.

I have not tried it out. But I know a studio where I can, so I might try and get in there soon and have a blast.

I think you will be having a blast with it.

[ShawnG]

I'm not sure that its been confirmed at all that the Line6 thing was a licensing deal gone bad. AFAIK that's pure speculation. It certainly could be true, but it's also possible that Props killed it on their own, or because of Line6's legendary ability to ignore the software side of their business. perhaps they wanted L6 to make an RE and Line 6 said no, and now they're out.

who knows. for the OP though, as a reason 7 owner, the upgrade from 7 to 8 is not worth the 129 bucks to me (and I was in on the beta, so I used it for a good 3 weeks prior to release) but the upgrade from 5 to 8 for the same price is worth every damn penny. so much good stuff came in the 6 and 7 updates, and the 8 updates are cool too, just not $129 cool. if you like using reason at all, do it.

having said that, and for anyone else interested, my r7 license is for sale $200!

[jeffh]

Time to make more music and care less about the tools IMO. Although that has pretty much become a cliché slogan around here. Well, for a reason i guess.

This goes against everything KVR stands for; This is a forum for DAW/plugin enthusiasts to nitpick about software workflow in the 5+ DAWs and 1000+ plugins they own, not a forum for music enthusiasts to discuss music making using the 1 DAW and 20 plugins they own.

[eXode]

I'm not sure that its been confirmed at all that the Line6 thing was a licensing deal gone bad. AFAIK that's pure speculation. It certainly could be true, but it's also possible that Props killed it on their own, or because of Line6's legendary ability to ignore the software side of their business. perhaps they wanted L6 to make an RE and Line 6 said no, and now they're out.

PURE SPECULATION:

I think that the next big upgrade in Reason might include HD/Retina support for the Rack (and maybe also the mixer). To speculate more on the Line 6 deal, It's obvious that Line 6 aren't on board anymore, and props are forced to carve them out because they simply can't upgrade the devices themselves due to licensing/contract reasons. At least that's a possible scenario as, afaik, the Line 6 stuff was not developed in house. I've heard that RE's are future proofed, whatever that means, but it might imply that RE's will be more easily upgraded to HD/Retina once the time is ripe.

This also implies that props will have to remake all their legacy devices, and I guess that they might also be converted into RE's at the same time.

[softska]

I'm not sure that its been confirmed at all that the Line6 thing was a licensing deal gone bad. AFAIK that's pure speculation. It certainly could be true, but it's also possible that Props killed it on their own, or because of Line6's legendary ability to ignore the software side of their business. perhaps they wanted L6 to make an RE and Line 6 said no, and now they're out.

Line6 has been sold to Yamaha. Yamaha owns Steinberg/Cubase. If I speculate it's more likely they can't come to terms w Yamaha more than Line6

[trimph1]

Time to make more music and care less about the tools IMO. Although that has pretty much become a cliché slogan around here. Well, for a reason i guess.

This goes against everything KVR stands for; This is a forum for DAW/plugin enthusiasts to nitpick about software workflow in the 5+ DAWs and 1000+ plugins they own, not a forum for music enthusiasts to discuss music making using the 1 DAW and 20 plugins they own.

[BMoore]

It's like the v8 complainers ability to produce music magically disappears if they don't upgrade to v8. An upgrade they're of course forced to make.

I suspect the ability isn't there to begin with, so complaining about this is what they have left.
It's the classic case. The constant need for new instruments and effects (the wow) to play around with until they get bored, and still not be able to produce anything. Hence hitting the internets with inane dribble.

It's simple.
Upgrade if you think v8 it's worth it.
Or, continue to use v7 in the same manner you're used to.

If none of the above, move along. There's a huge world of peachy DAWs and VSTs out there, with just as peachy devs and forums to follow.

[BMoore]

And as someone said, if you're at v5, the update is huge and amazing.

[ShawnG]

I'm not sure that its been confirmed at all that the Line6 thing was a licensing deal gone bad. AFAIK that's pure speculation. It certainly could be true, but it's also possible that Props killed it on their own, or because of Line6's legendary ability to ignore the software side of their business. perhaps they wanted L6 to make an RE and Line 6 said no, and now they're out.

Line6 has been sold to Yamaha. Yamaha owns Steinberg/Cubase. If I speculate it's more likely they can't come to terms w Yamaha more than Line6

well, sure it's pretty likely, but it's still speculation. Which is all well and good until everyone starts treating it like established fact. Fact is that the L6 amps are going away, no great loss in my mind except that there are things you can do with them when you load the entire L6 library that can't be duplicated by the Softube Amps. Softube doesn't come with six Console Preamp models for vocal processing that I used all the time, nor does it model 70+ amps. it does the four amps that it has a lot better than Line 6 tho.

[goldengate]

It's like the v8 complainers ability to produce music magically disappears if they don't upgrade to v8. An upgrade they're of course forced to make.

I suspect the ability isn't there to begin with, so complaining about this is what they have left.
It's the classic case. The constant need for new instruments and effects (the wow) to play around with until they get bored, and still not be able to produce anything. Hence hitting the internets with inane dribble.

It's simple.
Upgrade if you think v8 it's worth it.
Or, continue to use v7 in the same manner you're used to.

If none of the above, move along. There's a huge world of peachy DAWs and VSTs out there, with just as peachy devs and forums to follow.

You own a mac too, hook line and sinker?

[sellyoursoul]

When 8 was announced, I read lots of negative reviews about the Softube amp sims on the UAD site. Sounds like the Softube amp sim is probably another clunker like the limited Line6 devices. I would be wowed by hearing some basic rock n roll using the Reason devices....just some peformed drums, guitar, bass. Until that can be done, the rest is superfluous hype to me, relegating Reason to the occasional rewired synth or sampler beat, i.e., hello again Reason 5 sidecarring a full daw.

[KarmaShaman]

Exactly !

It doesnt matter that R8 is piss poor, overpriced, has badly conceived workflow killers, and no new REs outside of the replacement amps. WHATEVER you are all using right now will be more than adequate to make outstanding music.

The magic lies within our hearts and minds, not with the latest version of a DAW

It's like the v8 complainers ability to produce music magically disappears if they don't upgrade to v8. An upgrade they're of course forced to make.

I suspect the ability isn't there to begin with, so complaining about this is what they have left.
It's the classic case. The constant need for new instruments and effects (the wow) to play around with until they get bored, and still not be able to produce anything. Hence hitting the internets with inane dribble.

It's simple.
Upgrade if you think v8 it's worth it.
Or, continue to use v7 in the same manner you're used to.

If none of the above, move along. There's a huge world of peachy DAWs and VSTs out there, with just as peachy devs and forums to follow.