Bazille: Phase when triggering envelopes with the arp

[dr_tone]

While playing with Bazille I stumbled across something odd. Seemingly, the phase, when triggering notes with the arpeggiator, is not always the same. In other words, triggering an envelope does not trigger a note. This results in a totally mushy and ruined attack when for instance playing a long note for arpeggiated sounds. Especially, when running several unison voices (Drift-button of course in off-Position) the arp gets totally out of sync after some seconds... like an amateur orchestra Try yourself setting up an 1/16th based arp with 4 unison voices and see what happens.

Anyways, from this observation I conclude that triggering an envelope is not the same as triggering a note/gate. While this makes sense (though it is different from other synths behaviour), it certainly brings up the question: How do I trigger then a *note* with the arp? Is it possible at all? After all, I want the arp to fire a series of sharply attacked notes. Can this be done?

Thanks in advance for answering my question. (Also, apologies in case I overlooked something very basic. I am by no means an expert.)

[pdxindy]

Bazille does not have an arp...

[dr_tone]

The thingy in the lower right corner. Call it an sequencer, arp, whatever. It generates host-synced signals and can be morphed between 8 scenes.

[pdxindy]

The thingy in the lower right corner. Call it an sequencer, arp, whatever. It generates host-synced signals and can be morphed between 8 scenes.

It is a sequencer... but not an arp... An arp plays notes and this does not... though it will re-trigger envelopes

[dr_tone]

Yes, I realized that. In fact, my question was if there is a way to make the sequencer behave like an arpeggiator, i.e. using it for triggering notes. Sorry, if that was not clear enough in my op.

[moscom_electronics]

I think that something similar to what you want is described in... the manual!

cheers

Moscom

[dr_tone]

Well... I actually followed the advices on p 34 of the manual. Positive values to trigger the gate and neg values to close it. Set the env1 trigger to ModSeq1 / snappy. Used 4 unison voices. Hold down a note... watch the osc phase get out of sync. Try it. It's a reproducible effect. Sounds like the Oscillators are freewheeling while the envelope is merely multiplied with the oscillator instead of retriggering the oscillator. Which after a while ruins the attack, because, obviously, osc phase and host tempo/trigger times are independent of each other. Or do I overlook something?

[justin3am]

Currently the gate function of the sequencer/LFOs can only trigger the envelopes, it can't reset the phase of the oscillators or LFOs or trigger the ramps or mod mappers.

It would be nice if Bazille had more gate/trigger inputs for things like clocking the sequencer and resetting oscillators but Bazille is capable of a lot of things even without those features. It's a synth that rewards experimentation and working around it's limitations.

It's better to think of Bazille's sequencer as a complex CV sequencer with some neat tricks... it certainly is not an arp (though you can abuse it into arp-like results).

[dr_tone]

Thank you, that helped! Ofcourse, I could simply work around this (and have essentially an arp) by MIDI-triggering Bazille, but then again, it is not morphable... anyways, you are right, Bazille is very rewarding and has an enormous fun/experimentation factor. Also, it is very simple to get quite unique and impressive sounds using one oscillator only. I like it a lot. Just wanted to know, if my observation was right or if I simply overlooked something rather simple.

[pdxindy]

Just use a real arp... and of course you can do things like use a regular arp with the sequencer on sync mode and also have odd envelope timings etc...