Presswerk 3rd Beta (now Rev 3225, Dec 9th)

[sascha]

The issue I hi lighted in the previous beta regarding the M/S issue still remains.
With M/S mode on, unlink, select Channel one (mid). You can the compress, set Output etc and it rightly affects the mid, except the Input is still in L/R mode. Increasing/decreasing this affects the Left channel

Same applies to Ch2(side) very thing works as it should except the input which is in L/R.

Surely in M/S mode the input on Ch1 should be the Mid attenuating the Compressor. ?

We don't think it's a bug or misbehaviour, it's rather a design decision. Our M/S encoder matrix is the same as can be found on old or established hardware designs like the Fairchild (as can be observed with the UAD and Overtone S/W variants). We think offering a set of independent input controls prior to encoding allows for corrective and also creative adjustments. The 'corrective' way is often a typical task in stereo-track treatment of analog origin, where any small balance mismatch can easily ruin the spatial integrity.
In other words, having the input levels after the encoder in some way cripples the available options for precise adjustment, which we just found inappropriate for this kind of product.

[Wanterkeelt]

In the thread of the first beta there was a link to order Presswerk. Unless I overlooked it, I couldn't find it anywhere in this thread and the other thread got deleted. So can't Presswerk be pre-ordered anymore ?

[egbert]

In the thread of the first beta there was a link to order Presswerk. Unless I overlooked it, I couldn't find it anywhere in this thread and the other thread got deleted. So can't Presswerk be pre-ordered anymore ?

Old thread is still there - just further down the forum. It is not a "sticky" or announcement thread anymore.

[Wanterkeelt]

Oh ok, thanks

[woodsdenis]

The issue I hi lighted in the previous beta regarding the M/S issue still remains.
With M/S mode on, unlink, select Channel one (mid). You can the compress, set Output etc and it rightly affects the mid, except the Input is still in L/R mode. Increasing/decreasing this affects the Left channel

Same applies to Ch2(side) very thing works as it should except the input which is in L/R.

Surely in M/S mode the input on Ch1 should be the Mid attenuating the Compressor. ?

We don't think it's a bug or misbehaviour, it's rather a design decision. Our M/S encoder matrix is the same as can be found on old or established hardware designs like the Fairchild (as can be observed with the UAD and Overtone S/W variants). We think offering a set of independent input controls prior to encoding allows for corrective and also creative adjustments. The 'corrective' way is often a typical task in stereo-track treatment of analog origin, where any small balance mismatch can easily ruin the spatial integrity.
In other words, having the input levels after the encoder in some way cripples the available options for precise adjustment, which we just found inappropriate for this kind of product.

The Waves Fairchild does not work like this, I don't know about the hardware. I think driving the input level is a creative tool missing here, if the worry is about balance mismatch then just use the link to "chain" them together. You can after all compress and change the output of M/S why not the input.



In the UAD video it doesn't seem to work like this either, notice in the second half he clearly turns up the side input on the R knob and the the Mid on the left, clearly having independant control as I suggested.

[gwok]

It seems to me the input level should affect mid/side levels in MS mode, left/right is kinda weird. IF there is a problem, most daw's have tools that could be used ahead of the compressor

[2ZrgE]

- some latency not allow to put it as parallel comp or in single channel (but I think that this latency is due to some programming code common to all u-he products) but only as comp in master channel

Since any latency is reported, the host should be able to compensate for it, no?

That's the thing, some DAWs are terrible of doing that, several of them won't do that properly so we, at least I tend to avoid latency inducing plugs...

Do you think that this could be a problem with e.g. Live 9 (which has no proper PDC AFAIK)?

[Urs]

In the thread of the first beta there was a link to order Presswerk. Unless I overlooked it, I couldn't find it anywhere in this thread and the other thread got deleted. So can't Presswerk be pre-ordered anymore ?

Oops. We'll fix this shortly by publishing a product page and a newsletter

[paterpeter]

Sascha or Urs, can you say something about the "hanging" needle? Is this intentional?

[sascha]

Sascha or Urs, can you say something about the "hanging" needle? Is this intentional?

No, not intended. I measure the delta between in & out, but this can be tricky with small signals and/or a change in render-buffer calls.
I think I've managed to improve it greatly today, but still need to test a bit. At least it looks good here.

[padillac]

- some latency not allow to put it as parallel comp or in single channel (but I think that this latency is due to some programming code common to all u-he products) but only as comp in master channel

Since any latency is reported, the host should be able to compensate for it, no?

That's the thing, some DAWs are terrible of doing that, several of them won't do that properly so we, at least I tend to avoid latency inducing plugs...

Do you think that this could be a problem with e.g. Live 9 (which has no proper PDC AFAIK)?

Live's PDC is fine. It's the automation that doesn't get compensated.

If a plugin correctly reports its latency, you can use it for parallel processing with no issues.

[Turello]

As 3ee said: "some DAWs are terrible of doing that, several of them won't do that properly so we, at least I tend to avoid latency inducing plugs..." But aniway I have faith in Sacha, he did the digitalphisphones and great magic MAGIX vsts too...

Just to report: I have problems with Nuendo5 and FLStudio9, with Studio One seems ok (Windows XP SP3, 32 bit installed on AMD 64bit PC)

[Ingonator]

Just started checking the Presswerk AAX plugin in Pro Tools 11.2.1 (at Windows 7 64-bit).

As mentioned in the Sidechaining threda here at the U-He forum in the AAX plugin most of the knobs do not seem to work (except the Level knob at the lower right). All the buttons seem to work.

In the VST2 plugin (checked in Live 9) all knobs seem to work here.

[u-he-michael]

Thanks! There was a config issue with our WIN build server. An outdated revision was included as AAX.
-> Please do not download Rev 3169 if you like to test Presswerk with Pro Tools on a Windows-system.

We'll send a working build within the next ‘60 minutes.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

Cheers,
Michael

[redblooms]

Hi all!

Just a remark: When setting seperate settings for both channels it would be nice that the two channels would reset to the same value with double clicking, and another double click could cause a reset to the default values. I hope you understand what I mean!

All the best,