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zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:19 pm

jens wrote:
RobGee wrote:Valhalla are good but no contest if comparing, Lexicon for me all the way.
How would you qualify the way Lexicon is significantly better than Valhalla? Please try to describe it - I think we all can learn something from your (no doubt) tremendous experience. It would be great if you could also post some clips which illustrate Lexicon's superiority compared to Valhalla*.

*Which of Valhalla's reverb plugins are we talking about b.t.w.?

How come you didn't challenge those who had the opposite view? Much less with as much sarcasm.
I am sure it is his taste. I don't own Valhalla because I too prefer the sound of the Lexicon and even more so the Exponential Audio reverbs. Did I prefer it by far? Yes. Does it mean that my taste should matter to other people? No. Does it mean that others who have the opposite views are wrong? No.

He, like I did, prefers the taste of Lexicons, hands down.

(I should also mention I had a problem with Valhalla GUI's that I have more or less gotten over) I honestly just don't find anything extra special about them and I have tried the freqecho, ubermod, room, shimmer and the vintage...... several times.

as I believe ATS said, they are cheap and good. If my budget couldn't afford lexicon or exponential audio or soundtoys they would certainly find a home on my computers.

Just different strokes for different folks.

rsp

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:59 pm

Exponential Audio and Lexicon both use iloks. So no deal for me. Dongle on a laptop? No way...

KingTuck · Post by **KingTuck** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:37 am

I prefer Valhalla. But I am influenced by the lack of a dongle and fair pricing. I also quite like the Valhalla interfaces.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:09 pm

zvenx wrote: How come you didn't challenge those who had the opposite view? Much less with as much sarcasm.

dunno - I think I would have - it's only because "no contest if comparing" somehow rubs me the wrong way - it sounds very absolute to me - more like stating a fact than an opinion...

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:21 pm

I am puzzled and curious as to how people can't see obvious difference between the two. Apart for the sound which can be mimicked to small degree with Valhalla how on earth you people fail to not see number of parameters which is SIGNIFICANTLY larger on Lexicon then on Valhalla, meaning one can design and shape and alter virtual space in SIGNIFICANTLY different and in context larger degree then on Valhalla?

Now don't get me wrong for that price and sound Valhalla is a f***** steal of plugin. No brainer in every part. But to say that these two are the sameish and comparable - go find another job - music isn't for you...

I guess it's obvious "my d*** is bigger then your is" or "my purchase is better" whatever - on the case here. It does remind me on topic where people defending AMD are claiming that it's actually better then Intel..Oh boy<...

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:43 pm

jens wrote:
zvenx wrote: How come you didn't challenge those who had the opposite view? Much less with as much sarcasm.
dunno - I think I would have - it's only because "no contest if comparing" somehow rubs me the wrong way - it sounds very absolute to me - more like stating a fact than an opinion...

Understood and fair enough.
rsp

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:45 pm

kmonkey wrote:I am puzzled and curious as to how people can't see obvious difference between the two. Apart for the sound which can be mimicked to small degree with Valhalla how on earth you people fail to not see number of parameters which is SIGNIFICANTLY larger on Lexicon then on Valhalla, meaning one can design and shape and alter virtual space in SIGNIFICANTLY different and in context larger degree then on Valhalla?

Now don't get me wrong for that price and sound Valhalla is a f***** steal of plugin. No brainer in every part. But to say that these two are the sameish and comparable - go find another job - music isn't for you...

I guess it's obvious "my d*** is bigger then your is" or "my purchase is better" whatever - on the case here. It does remind me on topic where people defending AMD are claiming that it's actually better then Intel..Oh boy<...

Maybe for 'them', all the extra parameters aren't important. I don't think there is anything wrong with that approach at all.
rsp

Chris Lord-Alge leaves most of his hardware gear fixed on a single favourite setting. If he needs to use another setting, he buys another 1176...

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may07/articles/cla.htm

KingTuck · Post by **KingTuck** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:08 pm

jens wrote:
zvenx wrote: How come you didn't challenge those who had the opposite view? Much less with as much sarcasm.
dunno - I think I would have - it's only because "no contest if comparing" somehow rubs me the wrong way - it sounds very absolute to me - more like stating a fact than an opinion...

I get that. You still got on the offense pretty thick from what was a pretty small, probably "IMO", kind of comment. No biggy though.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:48 pm

Yes, maybe you are right

Just for the record:

having never tried any of the Lexicon plugins I don't have an opinion of my own anyway...
the only Lexicon-ish plugin(s) I tried so far is/are IK CSR which I didn't like at all...
I must admit that this put me off from wanting to try others that came afterwards - probably I should try them after all...

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:51 pm

Definitely.
Whilst the CSR stuff to me sounds good (well they did when they came out, haven't listened to them for awhile) and were afaik done by one of the best, it is more based on older lexicon stuff than the pcm stuff that is sold by lexicon. Very very different flavours.
But I still prefer exponential audio, which I think is on sale still.

rsp

solitud · Post by **solitud** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:09 pm

After owning shitty budget hardware reverbs for years the Lex PCM 92 was mind blowing for me.
I recently tested the Valhallas and purchased them all instantly. They are just great and sound different but as good as the PCM92. And the interface is just perfect for my taste.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:55 pm

kmonkey wrote:Apart for the sound which can be mimicked to small degree with Valhalla how on earth you people fail to not see number of parameters which is SIGNIFICANTLY larger on Lexicon then on Valhalla, meaning one can design and shape and alter virtual space in SIGNIFICANTLY different and in context larger degree then on Valhalla?

Lexicon hardware is generally disliked by live engineers for exactly that reason. In the heat of a gig you don't want to wade through a hundred obscurely named parameters looking for a simple "reverb time" control!

Anyway, I confess I do love my Lexicon PCM plugs. There is something about the way they blend with the source sound that I've not found with any other reverbs. I find it difficult to explain why this is so: when I listen to the reverb tails in isolation they seem much less convincing than Valhalla's verbs. But in context they just seem to glue with the source, and you can't hear the join, if that makes sense.

I love VVV for reverbs that are featured strongly in the mix however: big effects, or gated snares, or floaty BVs etc. And I really love the Early Reflections in VRoom as well. Often use them on their own: they can really liven up an acoustic guitar part for example, and a touch of modulation can add a lovely 12-string style shimmer.

Sparky77 · Post by **Sparky77** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:06 am

Lotuzia wrote:
Sparky77 wrote:Nothing wrong with Lexicon reverb, after all they invented it (digital reverb).

I have both hardware and software lexicons, still a staple in many world class studios.
And it proved to be perfect on gazillions of records.

When I want the Lexicon sound ( and this is most often the case ), I usually turn to my HW Lexicons, or their sf versions/counterparts. Or the Exponential Audio reverbs. Seems obvious ....

Yes, totally, still hard to beat hardware.
I still want a Bricasti tho...

Sparky77 · Post by **Sparky77** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:14 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Sparky77 wrote:Nothing wrong with Lexicon reverb, after all they invented it (digital reverb).

I have both hardware and software lexicons, still a staple in many world class studios.
No one's saying there's anything wrong with them. I think the question more is, "can I make these sounds with Valhalla reverbs? If so, I need more reverb experience but at least I already own what I need, if not, I guess I need to buy Lexicon reverbs."

The answer to that question is a resounding, "Yes, Valhalla VintageVerb is more than capable of producing similar sounds, keep at it."

Well first, it is an expression.

Second, if the question is, "can I make these sounds with Valhalla reverbs?...." why try to copy one manufactures reverb with another when the original is readably available.

Personally, I like them both but there is a reason so many companies try to copy Lexicon.

RobGee · Post by **RobGee** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:49 am

jens wrote:
RobGee wrote:Valhalla are good but no contest if comparing, Lexicon for me all the way.
How would you qualify the way Lexicon is significantly better than Valhalla? Please try to describe it - I think we all can learn something from your (no doubt) tremendous experience. It would be great if you could also post some clips which illustrate Lexicon's superiority compared to Valhalla*.

*Which of Valhalla's reverb plugins are we talking about b.t.w.?

Valhalla Room & Vintage Reverb, I've recently purchased the PCM Total Bundle and 9/10 prefer it when substituting them for the Valhallas.

Lexicon vs. Valhalla Reverbs