A rise of "Page 22" (post by Jan) rubbish in the Cafe?

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nineofkings wrote:A lot of the argument assumes an automatic conflict between commercialism and art. I don't think they necessarily need to be opposed, even though it often seems so .....
Iirc Wolfgang Amadeus never wrote a piece of music without having been paid .... in advance.

Would W.A.M be called an a...hole for that ? ( Reminds me this old J Richman song ' Pablo Picasso will never be called one ...., he could walk down the street etc etc ' :D )

The very romantic idea that artist should just be starving, and preferably socially damned for what they do is nice and always very tempting. It is totally disconnected from reality though. 'De l'ame pour l'ame' is certainly cool, but it's only that.

Thousands of exemples show that talent and money received from talent are not directly related. Some genius receive what they *deserve* during their lifetime, some are rediscovered at a time, and most will remain totally unknown. In the same way, some typical a..holes, whose names can be different for me or you, will become famous and rich while having incredibly small artistic talent, except maybe the exact ones needed to become rich and famous. This is show business. :shrug:

Then, no panic, Kvr has very few to offer regarding this. The most famous and talented Kvr composers chances to keep on starving with their music remain imho totally intact 8)
So ... let the music go :shrug:
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debra1rlo wrote:
Hink wrote:I think that happened to a lot of us, wasn't that the Fonzarelli effect? :hihi:
if you mean this thread has "jumped the shark", then yes, 100% agree :tu: :clap: :hihi:
that too :hihi:
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Axis1~SL61 wrote:
hibidy wrote:Yep, I think that people SHOULD be big-brother'ed to death.

OR, as an alternative, maybe it's not really so bad after all? ;)
in case you didn't follow the thread from the beginning, we're trying to "invent" a system to keep music-spam "producas" at bay in the Music Cafe :D
I think a 30 post count would be sufficient

A few forums have a period of moderation that people go through as well. But a post count would work...if one has to have rules governing the sale forum then why not?

Or...we sub forum the mix posts.... :party: :hyper: :hihi:
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The problem with having a high post count (I think 50 is high) before posting in the cafe is that you run the risk of encouraging people to spampost just to reach the limit. Most people probably won't do this, but the more obnoxious ones - the ones whose music I think you guys want to avoid - would be at that limit in a day or two. A spammer is a spammer. The thoughtful musicians out there, who maybe lurk on KVR and only contribute when they have something constructive to say, might not hit 50 posts within a year. Yet they're probably the ones whose music you actually want to listen to.

In other words, a low post limit (10? 15? 20? 25?) might make sense. Stops people from creating an account just to post their songs. But post count does not equal quality of posts, nor say anything about the music you make.

Alternatively, we could only allow vurt to post stuff in the cafe, that would be fun :)

Another option could be to limit posts based on membership time, i.e. after 3 months of being a registered member.

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why not just divide the cafe into sub forums for different genres, part of the reason I do not comment a lot in the cafe is because when I hear tunes outside of my tastes I feel like I am giving out a generic response because they will all start with something like "while this song is not what I typically listen to..."

After a few songs that are not of interest to me I give up, sub forums by genre would be quite beneficial imho :shrug:
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9 posts should be the limit required.
its the most magical of all the numbers. de la soul where incorrect.
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Frantz wrote:
fateamenabletochange wrote:I'd like a comment from Gucky. :(
This is a different issue. Someone who already has a high post count but their entire Cafe contribution is "greedy" - always posting new tracks but never giving feedback to anyone else. It is best to just ignore these people since there won't be a board setting to address this.
At least Gucky makes great music that gives my ears more pleasure then all these EDM remixes...

But he's not the only one who doesn't give any feedback to other artists, "classic" is another (German) one who only posted about his business or asked for certain plugins but rarely gave any tips or feedback...and there are some more of those people...

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Tricky-Loops wrote:
Frantz wrote:
fateamenabletochange wrote:I'd like a comment from Gucky. :(
This is a different issue. Someone who already has a high post count but their entire Cafe contribution is "greedy" - always posting new tracks but never giving feedback to anyone else. It is best to just ignore these people since there won't be a board setting to address this.
At least Gucky makes great music that gives my ears more pleasure then all these EDM remixes...

But he's not the only one who doesn't give any feedback to other artists, "classic" is another (German) one who only posted about his business or asked for certain plugins but rarely gave any tips or feedback...and there are some more of those people...
I dont post a lot in the cafe (before this March my last song in the cafe was 2007), but I have to admit I am guilty of this :oops:
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Is there really more of any type of music being posted in the Music Cafe than there was before the recession, Soundcloud and whatever else has had an effect on these things over the years?

That said, there probably is less stuff coming from creative types so in relative terms there may be some truth to the OPs observation.

History might suggest that materialism and other superficial concerns can win out during certain periods. Luckily we live in the era of recorded music and there is an abundance of great works to discover, or rediscover (including stuff from some who have posted in this thread). In fact, for some of us time constraints will always be a more serious problem.

So, maybe this is a great time to try to catch up... :wink:

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i'm guilty of posting lots of my "sketches" and I guess I probably should just make one thread for all my stuff instead of making multiple posts. I'm also guilty of not leaving comments much, i just keep forgetting!

Most of the stuff i hear from the regulars here I enjoy quite a bit fwiw.
:borg:

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Hink wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Frantz wrote:
fateamenabletochange wrote:I'd like a comment from Gucky. :(
This is a different issue. Someone who already has a high post count but their entire Cafe contribution is "greedy" - always posting new tracks but never giving feedback to anyone else. It is best to just ignore these people since there won't be a board setting to address this.
At least Gucky makes great music that gives my ears more pleasure then all these EDM remixes...

But he's not the only one who doesn't give any feedback to other artists, "classic" is another (German) one who only posted about his business or asked for certain plugins but rarely gave any tips or feedback...and there are some more of those people...
I dont post a lot in the cafe (before this March my last song in the cafe was 2007), but I have to admit I am guilty of this :oops:
At least you help some people here and there but there are (quite) a few people who don't give ANY tips, recommendations, solutions etc. All they do is posting some tracks without giving feedback to other artists... :(

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sjm wrote:The problem with having a high post count (I think 50 is high) before posting in the cafe is that you run the risk of encouraging people to spampost just to reach the limit.
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And, by that, I mean you are going to have a bunch of people posting "+1" in everybody's threads until they reach that magical 50th post count that bestows upon them the right to have their music heard by the almighty KVR members, defenders of all that is tasteful. Problem solved. :party:
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From time to time I listen to Cafe-entries and wouldn't have a (time-)problem to comment on them.

But then I think twice and take the following into account:

- It's not my genre thus I'll probably can't help with certain requests.
- I don't like the track. Do I really need to tell the OP about it?
- The track is not bad but I have some remarks. Hmmm, can the OP tolerate critics? I'll rather not try.
- I like the song but can't say more about it. And I don't like to comment with just one word or smiley. That's not decent.
- I listen to 9 of 10 songs on my headphones (due to household situation). Therefore I can't judge about details of the mix.
- I'm jealous and don't want to praise the OP. :x :hihi:

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elassi wrote:From time to time I listen to Cafe-entries and wouldn't have a (time-)problem to comment on them.

But then I think twice and take the following into account:

- It's not my genre thus I'll probably can't help with certain requests.
- I don't like the track. Do I really need to tell the OP about it?
- The track is not bad but I have some remarks. Hmmm, can the OP tolerate critics? I'll rather not try.
- I like the song but can't say more about it. And I don't like to comment with just one word or smiley. That's not decent.
- I listen to 9 of 10 songs on my headphones (due to household situation). Therefore I can't judge about details of the mix.
- I'm jealous and don't want to praise the OP. :x :hihi:

lots of good points!

I've never been really good at giving constructive criticism because I'm still learning so much myself and I don't want to give bad advice. I'll definitely give it a try though.
:borg:

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elassi wrote:From time to time I listen to Cafe-entries and wouldn't have a (time-)problem to comment on them.

But then I think twice and take the following into account:

- It's not my genre thus I'll probably can't help with certain requests.
- I don't like the track. Do I really need to tell the OP about it?
- The track is not bad but I have some remarks. Hmmm, can the OP tolerate critics? I'll rather not try.
- I like the song but can't say more about it. And I don't like to comment with just one word or smiley. That's not decent.
- I listen to 9 of 10 songs on my headphones (due to household situation). Therefore I can't judge about details of the mix.
- I'm jealous and don't want to praise the OP. :x :hihi:
Common, I know you, you're not as shy as you pretend to be, you can criticize pretty harsh... :wink:

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