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scoplunk · Post by **scoplunk** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:27 pm

This is either a bug or I'm missing something. When I try to set the high and low limits on an X/Y pad, the triangles move in increments of something like 1.25 at a time, so there's no way to, for instance, set a tuning to 7.00 to change an oscillator pitch by a fifth. The normal trick of holding down the shift key to move in .01 increments doesn't seem to work when moving the X/Y triangles. Is anyone else experiencing this? Is there a workaround? This is happening on Zebra2 2709 and ZebraHZ 2570.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:19 pm

That is just how it is...

You can use Modmappers to create specific intervals

scoplunk · Post by **scoplunk** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:05 pm

Hmm. Seems like it would be easy to fix this so that we could set precise values, but maybe there's a technical reason that makes it difficult. For now it looks like this will have to be a feature request for Zebra 3.

I really think the XY pads are under utilized in most of the presets I've downloaded - even the commercial ones. I can understand why. They take some time and care to set up right. But, when they are set up right, they're really useful. You can use the XY controls with an external controller and easily make variations on the fly that standup on their own as new presets. Good stuff.

Thanks pdxindy for the info and the tip on using the Modmappers. Since most of the settings aren't so critical, that will be a good workaround for the ones that are.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:38 pm

scoplunk wrote:Hmm. Seems like it would be easy to fix this so that we could set precise values, but maybe there's a technical reason that makes it difficult. For now it looks like this will have to be a feature request for Zebra 3.

I really think the XY pads are under utilized in most of the presets I've downloaded - even the commercial ones. I can understand why. They take some time and care to set up right. But, when they are set up right, they're really useful. You can use the XY controls with an external controller and easily make variations on the fly that standup on their own as new presets. Good stuff.

Thanks pdxindy for the info and the tip on using the Modmappers. Since most of the settings aren't so critical, that will be a good workaround for the ones that are.

Yeah, the ModMappers are super useful!

I under use the X/Y pads myself... I would use them a lot more if one were able to save X/Y pad settings on say 8 little buttons. Then each preset could have saved X/Y variations

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:35 am

pdxindy wrote:
I under use the X/Y pads myself... I would use them a lot more if one were able to save X/Y pad settings on say 8 little buttons. Then each preset could have saved X/Y variations

Yeah, that is why I used Kore for the Black and White and Red bank. I could save 8 variations of each patch and morph between them. I ended up including all 8 variations of each patch in .h2p format but you can't morph between them like you can with Kore.

To the OP, I use the X/Y pads in Zebra in almost every patch (Check out Black and White and Red in the patch library). They are a lot of fun when you have a midi controller like a Kaoss Pad, V-Synth's time trip pad or Source Audio's Hot Hands.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:39 am

I don't think it would be a big issue to have XY pad triangles to work as other knobs do - normally change value by 0.50 increments, and then when holding Shift, 0.01 increments... Urs?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:44 am

EvilDragon wrote:I don't think it would be a big issue to have XY pad triangles to work as other knobs do - normally change value by 0.50 increments, and then when holding Shift, 0.01 increments... Urs?

Yeah, shouldn't be a big deal. Added to our list

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:50 am

On the topic of XY-pads, do you guys think that some more "intelligence" is needed, i.e. automatic setup functions?

I was thinking that once we get or preferences panel set up we maybe could add something that automatically sets up unused XYs for any preset loaded.

I also wonder if for Z3 we should do editable curves. But then, this would make it even more complicated to set up. Unless we add some sort of automagic. Hmmm...

Cyoon · Post by **Cyoon** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:56 am

Urs wrote:
I also wonder if for Z3 we should do editable curves. But then, this would make it even more complicated to set up. Unless we add some sort of automagic. Hmmm...

maybe have a look at the Lemur physics engine

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:03 am

Urs wrote:On the topic of XY-pads, do you guys think that some more "intelligence" is needed, i.e. automatic setup functions?

I was thinking that once we get or preferences panel set up we maybe could add something that automatically sets up unused XYs for any preset loaded.

I also wonder if for Z3 we should do editable curves. But then, this would make it even more complicated to set up. Unless we add some sort of automagic. Hmmm...

All very good ideas.

It would be great to have XY pad presets, like the currently 4 presets available... but let the user make his own settings saveable and available right there when you right-click the XY.

scoplunk · Post by **scoplunk** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:40 pm

All of these ideas are great: preset buttons for XY variations, editable curves, automatic setup, etc.

I wonder if it would be useful to have the ability to setup a new sound using the XY pads and then "apply" that sound so that the XY pads are reset to the center, but the resulting sound is written to the actual parameters in Zebra. For instance, if the pad 1 X position adds +20 to the cutoff, the feature I'm talking about would actually add that +20 to the cutoff and then reset the pad 1 X position back to the center. There are two things I like about this idea. One is the fact that I can start editing this new preset without worrying about the offsets in the XY pads and the second thing I like is that the user can always get back to the original preset by simply double clicking all the pads. The disadvantage of a system like this is that we'd have to save any version that we liked as a new preset, but this has the upside of allowing us to hear them while browsing patches.

OTOH, I could do most of these same things with XY preset buttons. I couldn't hear the variations while scrolling through the library, but I could get around that by saving any variations I thought were really interesting as separate presets. I guess I just like the idea of having a clean slate version if I intend to do more editing.

Anyway, just throwing out ideas. Since I'm a fan of the XY pads, I'm enjoying this discussion.

scoplunk · Post by **scoplunk** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:33 pm

justin3am wrote: Yeah, that is why I used Kore for the Black and White and Red bank. I could save 8 variations of each patch and morph between them. I ended up including all 8 variations of each patch in .h2p format but you can't morph between them like you can with Kore.

To the OP, I use the X/Y pads in Zebra in almost every patch (Check out Black and White and Red in the patch library). They are a lot of fun when you have a midi controller like a Kaoss Pad, V-Synth's time trip pad or Source Audio's Hot Hands.

Yes! This is exactly what I'm talking about. I've got my nanokontrol hooked up to the XY pads and am having a blast.

I thought I downloaded all the patches from the u-he Zebra library. How did I miss these? I didn't have time to go through all of them, but I'm a big fan of the same kind of grit you're adding with Osc FX, filter distortion, filter FM, etc. I've only had Zebra for a month, so I'm learning a lot by just looking at what you've done and playing around with these sounds.

Thanks for the great patches, justin3am. BTW, is this why you're up until 3am?

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Unable to set fine values in Zebra XY pads