Hi helpers of the lame and inept.
Any reason why you can't put a Level meter or Limiter on a folder track?
Folder Tracks Question.
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- KVRAF
- 1790 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
Hi Dave, folder tracks are really a visual tool for grouping of tracks. They do contain a VCA (a group level control) but this is a simple tool that effectively scales the range of the sub-tracks level controls.
The easiest way to get a plugin across all tracks is to create a rack for it and then add an instance of the rack to each of the sub-tracks.
The easiest way to get a plugin across all tracks is to create a rack for it and then add an instance of the rack to each of the sub-tracks.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 273 posts since 2 Sep, 2004
Sorry I don't really understand?
"The easiest way to get a plugin across all tracks is to create a rack for it and then add an instance of the rack to each of the sub-tracks."
I want to know "why?" you can't put a group effect or vst on a folder track.
I can do it in Live, FL Studio. Is there a specific reason why its not possible in Tracktion.
It seems a bit daft if you can group a load of tracks together in one folder but can't add a send or any other effect to that output.
"The easiest way to get a plugin across all tracks is to create a rack for it and then add an instance of the rack to each of the sub-tracks."
I want to know "why?" you can't put a group effect or vst on a folder track.
I can do it in Live, FL Studio. Is there a specific reason why its not possible in Tracktion.
It seems a bit daft if you can group a load of tracks together in one folder but can't add a send or any other effect to that output.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35531 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Reads pretty much like he specifically says 'the reason why is because folder tracks are mainly a UI container thing, not an audio engine container thing'.Dave Wiz wrote:Sorry I don't really understand?
"The easiest way to get a plugin across all tracks is to create a rack for it and then add an instance of the rack to each of the sub-tracks."
I want to know "why?" you can't put a group effect or vst on a folder track.
Yes, I agree with you it would be nicer if they were more like regular tracks.
What would be easiest would be if you could drop a rack on a track folder and that did all the track-level rack instantiation for you, instead of having to do it for each track in the folder one at a time.dbRowAudio wrote:The easiest way to get a plugin across all tracks is to create a rack for it and then add an instance of the rack to each of the sub-tracks.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 273 posts since 2 Sep, 2004
Ok, thanks for the replies guys.
I honestly don't get the point of making a rack and adding it to each track. Unless I'm missing something here.
Seems like replicating plugins when it's not necessary.
At the moment I'm routing the audio from each folder track to the last track in the folder which has an eq and a limiter on it and then sending the audio from that to the main folder track.
My "Why" was a "I thought that would be the first thing the developer would do when making folder tracks?"
So is a folder track a Buss? Busses in other daws allow you to add other effects to the chain whereas in Tracktion is it just a way to keep things tidy?
I honestly don't get the point of making a rack and adding it to each track. Unless I'm missing something here.
Seems like replicating plugins when it's not necessary.
At the moment I'm routing the audio from each folder track to the last track in the folder which has an eq and a limiter on it and then sending the audio from that to the main folder track.
My "Why" was a "I thought that would be the first thing the developer would do when making folder tracks?"
So is a folder track a Buss? Busses in other daws allow you to add other effects to the chain whereas in Tracktion is it just a way to keep things tidy?
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- KVRian
- 755 posts since 4 Jun, 2004
No, a folder track is not a bus. In Tracktion you could already very easily create a bus by routing several tracks to one track and call that a bus. Folder tracks give you the opportunity for better organization of tracks and still being able to create complex routing (which otherwise wouldn't be possible).
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- KVRist
- 445 posts since 31 Dec, 2005 from Albuquerque
For me, it easier to route the output of the tracks to a separate "submix" track. Then I can add whatever plugins to that track, and in only affects the tracks that are routed to it. Just another way to skin the cat.
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- KVRAF
- 4898 posts since 3 Jan, 2003 from Vancouver
While it's not as obvious a workflow as the more-common bus type of track groups in other DAWs, it does have one advantage that other DAWs lack*: you can group things together visually without being forced to group them sonically. And the good news is that you can group things sonically however you like by routing tracks to "submix" tracks.
* I am not familiar with all other DAWs, so I might be wrong about this.
* I am not familiar with all other DAWs, so I might be wrong about this.
Surely there must be consensus by now...
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bobmartinmusic bobmartinmusic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=169078
- KVRist
- 212 posts since 26 Dec, 2007 from UK
You can have a Folder or a Submix in Traction. For a Submix, send the outputs to a new sub mix bus via "Track Destination" in the props panel. Or have I misunderstood the question?flamin-gitaur wrote:For me, it easier to route the output of the tracks to a separate "submix" track. Then I can add whatever plugins to that track, and in only affects the tracks that are routed to it. Just another way to skin the cat.
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- KVRist
- 445 posts since 31 Dec, 2005 from Albuquerque
Not another folder per se, but another track, just route the tracks destination to another track rather than to the main output, then add your filters/plugins etc. to that track. You can then fiddle with all those tracks as a group separately from the main mix. I'm sure there's other way to achieve the same thing, but that's how I usually handle it.bobmartinmusic wrote:You can have a Folder or a Submix in Traction. For a Submix, send the outputs to a new sub mix bus via "Track Destination" in the props panel. Or have I misunderstood the question?flamin-gitaur wrote:For me, it easier to route the output of the tracks to a separate "submix" track. Then I can add whatever plugins to that track, and in only affects the tracks that are routed to it. Just another way to skin the cat.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 273 posts since 2 Sep, 2004
Thanks for the replies guys.
It sounds like I've been doing it pretty much the way you are all describing.
By using the last track in the folder as the output and routing that to the folder track it works ok plus it means I can collapse the entire track so it occupies less screen space.
I still find it an unnatural way to work but it is what it is.
happy new year all.
Dave
It sounds like I've been doing it pretty much the way you are all describing.
By using the last track in the folder as the output and routing that to the folder track it works ok plus it means I can collapse the entire track so it occupies less screen space.
I still find it an unnatural way to work but it is what it is.
happy new year all.
Dave
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY