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hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:54 pm

Why not allow bipolar CC modulation when pitchwheel is the selected source?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:16 pm

hakey wrote:Why not allow bipolar CC modulation when pitchwheel is the selected source?

Yeah, I've asked that myself. I think I'll remove PitchWheel, it's kind of odd to have there anyway.

I don't like the idea of a bipolar modulator there because Velocity is a unipolar one. Having one like this and one like that may seem strange, even if tune is bipolar (needs to be because of how the step record works)

- Urs

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:58 pm

Urs wrote:I don't like the idea of a bipolar modulator there because Velocity is a unipolar one. Having one like this and one like that may seem strange

I don't see how. Anyone who can work out how to set up the CC channel should also be able to work out why Velocity is unipolar and Pitchwheel bipolar.

Ruling out bipolarity significantly hobbles the sequencer and modulator modes.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:16 pm

Urs wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Urs wrote:Nevertheless, no guarantee given that whatever is to come will come before release of V1.0 and thus during the period of intro offer.
But then at least tell us before the beta ends which things will be added, so I can decide whether I buy it or not!
I can completely understand your concerns, but I'm not a psychic. I can't fully estimate how our ideas pan out and how well they work (or not). I once thought that it would be easy to throw all Uhbiks into a single, rack-style plug-in. "Piece of cake!" I thought. But then it wasn't, and I had to let down a lot of people who were hoping for this. And Uhbik never went up to its announced full price, because of it.

Hence, no promises that I might not be able to keep.

- Urs

...then at least what MIGHT be added if things work out...

Any decision made when the beta period will end? Before or after your winter...summer vacation?

I would be especially happy if Hive could also be used for Lounge/Chillout/Deep House music, not only for EDM.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:49 pm

Well I'm not using Hive for EDM

I'd rather put my head in a gas oven.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:01 pm

Sendy wrote:Well I'm not using Hive for EDM

I'd rather put my head in a gas oven.

Be careful with that joke if you visit Germany some time!

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:13 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote: I would be especially happy if Hive could also be used for Lounge/Chillout/Deep House music, not only for EDM.

Seriously?

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:27 pm

Dont get that mentality either.

xamido · Post by **xamido** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:37 pm

I've been using Hive for a couple of different genre now, and i really don't get the EDM stigma.

It's a synth, i can make any sound i want within the boundaries of its feature.

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:09 pm

Does anyone know what the behavior of the AMP envelopes are re: using only one envelope (i.e. AMP 1) to control VCA of both oscillators (by assigning it to OSC 2 and SUB 2 volumes in the mod matrix)? If I do this, does that disconnect AMP2 from OSC2, effectively freeing up AMP 2 to be an additional MOD envelope?

If it does not do this, I think it would be a good feature.

Thanks!

Gone soft · Post by **Gone soft** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:23 pm

ontrackp wrote:Does anyone know what the behavior of the AMP envelopes are re: using only one envelope (i.e. AMP 1) to control VCA of both oscillators (by assigning it to OSC 2 and SUB 2 volumes in the mod matrix)? If I do this, does that disconnect AMP2 from OSC2, effectively freeing up AMP 2 to be an additional MOD envelope?

If it does not do this, I think it would be a good feature.

Thanks!

One way of doing something like this: turn down the volume of filter 1. Only use filter 2, but know that you can still route filter 1 into filter 2. Offcourse filter 2 will still have volume controlled by AMP2, there's no need to do any fancy routing. Filter 1 routed into filter 2 will remain unnaffected by the amp envelope for filter 1, so the AMP1 envelope is effectively free to use as you please in the matrix. I hope this made sense to you.

EDIT: remember you can switch the individual oscillators and suboscillators on and off in each filter, in case you hadn't noticed yet.

tedlogan · Post by **tedlogan** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:47 pm

Hi urs

Apologies if this has been answered and I missed it:

The sequencer and arp seem to have minds of their own and the lfos along with those are very hard to consistently line up upon triggering a note. In short they're out of sync on most triggers regardless of arp/phase reset etc settings. Most of my patches are of the note held down sequences including percussion. If I play them via my daw via a midi clip it plays correctly, but otherwise not. Live 9 btw. Example patches in my signature

This is just a bug right?

Hive is another top class synth, cheers!

tedlogan · Post by **tedlogan** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:50 pm

Sry double post. Phone fumbling

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:07 pm

V-GER wrote: One way of doing something like this: turn down the volume of filter 1. Only use filter 2, but know that you can still route filter 1 into filter 2. Offcourse filter 2 will still have volume controlled by AMP2, there's no need to do any fancy routing. Filter 1 routed into filter 2 will remain unnaffected by the amp envelope for filter 1, so the AMP1 envelope is effectively free to use as you please in the matrix. I hope this made sense to you.

EDIT: remember you can switch the individual oscillators and suboscillators on and off in each filter, in case you hadn't noticed yet.

Yes -- makes total sense and it achieves my goal of freeing up an envelope as an additional modulation source.

I would still love to see two more mod sources. I understand that the design of Hive follows the traditional subtractive synth components and signal flow, but I think it would be great if there were a couple of multi-functional mod sources -- similar to the MSEG's in Zebra for instance, or the fantastically flexible LFO's in Serum, these can be used as LFO's or multi-segment envelopes. Having more flexible mod sources would not make Hive harder to use, but it would make it much more flexible for sound design, and I think a stronger competitor to the other synths available today.

In the meantime have to say I'm enjoying Hive a lot -- working on the OSC now!

Thanks V-GER.

Gone soft · Post by **Gone soft** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:39 pm

ontrackp wrote:Yes -- makes total sense and it achieves my goal of freeing up an envelope as an additional modulation source.

I would still love to see two more mod sources. I understand that the design of Hive follows the traditional subtractive synth components and signal flow, but I think it would be great if there were a couple of multi-functional mod sources -- similar to the MSEG's in Zebra for instance, or the fantastically flexible LFO's in Serum, these can be used as LFO's or multi-segment envelopes. Having more flexible mod sources would not make Hive harder to use, but it would make it much more flexible for sound design, and I think a stronger competitor to the other synths available today.

In the meantime have to say I'm enjoying Hive a lot -- working on the OSC now!

Thanks V-GER.

Glad I could help.

Good luck with the OSC (I should probably change my nick so I'm not mistaken for that guy involved with it, though he has stated he doesn't mind as it gives him someone to blame when he's messed up something on KVR - "must have been that other guy"...

).

Wouldn't mind any extra modulation myself if it can remain within the realitive simplicity that's supposed to be the nature of Hive, we'll have to wait and see what Urs has to say though.

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