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ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:32 pm

Hi,

when using MDynamics as an upward compressor, I can't see the gain reduction (which is actually a gain increase then) in the graph because the graphs scale is locked to show only negative values. I can't change that in the settings either.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:02 pm

Hi,

yes, that's how it is. I'd recommend not using upwards expander anyway, because it's not save really. Just use downwards expander and use Range to set limit if needed.

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:22 pm

I was refering to upward compression, not upward expansion (as in the illustration below). Because the plugin features an upward mode (which is really cool), it should also have the graph be scaled so one can monitor what it does. It would be awesome if you can make the scale editable to show also positive values.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:58 pm

Aaaha, sorry, didn't read it properly

Anyway sorry, again it's no. Gain reduction is always the only safe way of doing things, so I won't complicate the "standard" way for sake of those who want the unsafe one. So if you really want to do what you seem you want, then you just won't have the meter.

HOWEVER again, every unsafe method has a safe alternative! In your case you are basically aplifying the noise, I don't suppose that's what you want. So you can simply use very low threshold, normal downwards compression and range

. More control, better results...

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:43 pm

No I am not amplifying noise, I am amplifying quieter parts. With the range parameter you can control it so that the gain increase doesn't occur for the really quiet noise floor.

I mean, it's just another option in the graph settings, isn't it? There is -40 and -80db, why not allow +40db? Upward mode is not something crazy, it's a normal valid method, and there should really be monitoring for that just as there is for the downward mode

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:34 pm

Sorry, no, it's more complicated than that. And again, you can do the same thing using normal compression.

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:12 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:Sorry, no, it's more complicated than that. And again, you can do the same thing using normal compression.

Well it's similar but obviously it's not the same thing as the transformation curve is completely different.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:55 pm

Actually don't get confused by the transformation curves

. The only difference is that you are gating and gain. For more natural results it's actually better to use the traditional compressor + range approach

.

valsolim · Post by **valsolim** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:16 pm

@ZentralmassivSound: I was also quite surprised that such a flexible plugin like MDynamics couldn't perform the upward compression using the parameter settings. Furtunately, you can switch the Processing shape button on and then when you move the [0,0] point upward you will achieve the genuine upward compression

@MeldaProduction: IMHO the upward compression is completely harmless in contrast to the upward expansion which is actually allowed by the plugin. Therefore, following your argument regarding the safe/unsafe methods I would disable the upward expansion in the first place

Moreover, people do not always want the "natural results". Your plugins often tempt for experimentation... And in such moments, one easily gets surprised if he/she comes across something which is not possible in a straightforward way. But, luckily, owing to the Melda flexibility there is always a workaround...

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:39 pm

valsolim: MDynamics actually CAN perform upward compression (see the small arrow in a processor panel?

). But the OP wanted gain "increase" meter. To which I'm saying "no". And the argument about "naturality" is actually a little different too - if you do this ZentralmassivSound does, then you need gate to avoid amplifying noise. This makes it more complicated for you, the results are pretty much the same, and you have a gate which you may or may not want, but by doing this you are forced to use it.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:40 pm

For the record, people are really not used to the "Range" parameter, because almost no processors have it, but it's actually really awesome... like in this case.

wildcafe · Post by **wildcafe** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:52 pm

I'm experimenting with upward compression and came across this thread. @Zentralmassiv: I've tried MCompressor, MDynamics and some other compressors but I can't achieve an upward compression curve.

How can I achieve this? Could you copy and paste some settings?

Thanks

wildcafe · Post by **wildcafe** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:47 pm

Nobody knows how to set any Melda compressor to upward compression curve (like mentioned above)?
Or isn't that possible (any more)?
I've talked to mixing engineers and I've done some research now and I think there's indeed a reason to use upward compression.
Mostly for 2 reasons: 1) Keeping transients (without using parallel compression) and 2) Generating an own effect using this type of compression. I've listened to examples with extreme settings and I like it! It's kind of different...

wildcafe · Post by **wildcafe** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:21 pm

Ah I found the preset in MCompressor. Seems to work although the curve in the plugin isn't the same as above...

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:49 pm

Here's an example using MCompressor and the Custom shape:

>>> http://i.imgur.com/FiIMSnd.gif (3.5MB)

The input waveform is orange and the output is blue,. Go carefully - I got a +26dB level (luckily automuted) when experimenting.

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MDynamics - upward compression - no GR graph?