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squaredheads · Post by **squaredheads** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:34 am

Roc77 wrote:How do you set up Nora and Nora-Harm with Cubase 8? Cubase is not covered at all in the manual. Thanks.

Since there is no demo I cannot test myself. As far as I know some users are using Nora in Cubase. It should be something like this:

1. Add Nora in a MIDI track
2. Add another instrument in another track.
3. In the instrument track, select Nora as MIDI input source
4. Turn on the monitorization in the instrument track.

Unless Cubase 8 is able to manage VST's MIDI Out like Reaper you will need a separate track for each instrument.

squaredheads · Post by **squaredheads** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:36 am

Musical Gym wrote:Is NoraHarm built in to Nora 2? I just bought Nora and don't know anything about NoraHarm yet.

It's included in the installer. Reinstall Nora and select the option that includes Nora-Harm. For the next patch the installer will have as default install both.

squaredheads · Post by **squaredheads** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:48 am

powermat wrote:either of you two know if it's possible to import your own midi files?

Partially. Nora Phrase Editor support up to 25 notes (5 octaves x 5 notes/octave). You cannot fit 128 notes from a MIDI file in 25. So, Nora at the moment is able to import rhythm and grooves from MIDI files. Just drop them on the phrase editor for import the rhythm or in any Track Configuration window to import the groove.

Anyway. I was a owner from z3ta since it's first release, and I wondered why its arpeggiator was called "arpeggiator". It was a MIDI files player! I never used it, because my music was pretty unique to use canned melodies. So this is the spirit of Nora: create your own music as easy as you would do with those pre made material but sounding always fresh and original (and this will be emphatized more in one of the updates that are coming).

ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:45 pm

I noticed some note oddities last night in bitwig. I had a 2 bar sequence of a chord going in to nora feeding a synth. It was going fine playing the sequence out of nora until I closed the gui. Then after a while it would start dropping notes and then only play a note or two out of the sequence. However once I re-opened the gui then nora would start acting normal again

When I get a chance Ill see if I can come up with a reliable way to reproduce it

powermat · Post by **powermat** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:38 pm

squaredheads wrote:
powermat wrote:either of you two know if it's possible to import your own midi files?
Partially. Nora Phrase Editor support up to 25 notes (5 octaves x 5 notes/octave). You cannot fit 128 notes from a MIDI file in 25. So, Nora at the moment is able to import rhythm and grooves from MIDI files. Just drop them on the phrase editor for import the rhythm or in any Track Configuration window to import the groove.

Anyway. I was a owner from z3ta since it's first release, and I wondered why its arpeggiator was called "arpeggiator". It was a MIDI files player! I never used it, because my music was pretty unique to use canned melodies. So this is the spirit of Nora: create your own music as easy as you would do with those pre made material but sounding always fresh and original (and this will be emphatized more in one of the updates that are coming).

What I'd like to do is chop up the MIDI that I've written over the years and basically remix/rescale/play with it in a speedier fashion than having to stop the music and adjust. I use PIZMIDI's plugin (don't remember the name right now) to keep the notes in the same range and I use scaling plugins to keep the notes in the same scale.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:14 pm

Thanks Juan. I will reinstall Nora if NoraHarm isn't installed.

gigasquid · Post by **gigasquid** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:11 pm

What's in the pipeline and when? This is ground zero guys. I understand the two (?) of you can't do everything but please, no more add-ons and features for Nora until the housekeeping is done.

I don't speak Spanish but I know my way around a video editing studio. Can I help? What do you need to make video tuts happen?

kurodo · Post by **kurodo** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:40 pm

squaredheads wrote:
Some people have been complained about the interface, but they didn't specify nothing. I mean, if you say me: "hey I cannot find easily this option, it should be here", then I may try to fix it. Ofc, don't tell me "hey you should do this, because this product do it in this way". Nora is Nora and the other product is the other product. But if it's backed with a good reasoning I will listen

Yeah fair enough.
Btw I like the way you've handled NoraHarm.
Ableton Live has a scale transformer but it doesn't allow full diatonic ChordScales to be built.
In that respect Nora-harm is a stroke of genius

Using just 2 keys I can produce really complicated stacked chords (diatonic)
I also like the file system, Nora always seems to remember where I am or in the worse case its only a couple of clicks away from the right file path.

I have couple of questions.

I notice that file operations such as copy/paste/cut etc involve an extra key press.
For example:
Noras copy.
Ctrl-Alt-C
Where as Windows is usually quite happy with just a regular
Ctrl-C
Is there a specific reason why Nora has the additional operation?
I figure its to avoid the possibility of conflict? but if not it would certainly help to get rid of the alt especially Ctrl-alt-x as thats a cluster

It also feels slightly unintuitive when copying a selected bunch of notes and pasting them.
While the notes are highlighted they are easy enough to move but copying them seems slightly harder than a regular copy and paste that other programs employ.

Keep up the good work

nexussynth · Post by **nexussynth** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:03 am

squaredheads wrote:
kurodo wrote:The Interface is actually quite cool once you get to grips with it.
The organization is something that can be ironed out in time, as they say "Rome wasn't built in a day"

Its true some of the same questions do seem to crop up but put yourself in the developers position until the feedback is in all you can do is craft something that makes sense to you.
Some people have been complained about the interface, but they didn't specify nothing. I mean, if you say me: "hey I cannot find easily this option, it should be here", then I may try to fix it. Ofc, don't tell me "hey you should do this, because this product do it in this way". Nora is Nora and the other product is the other product. But if it's backed with a good reasoning I will listen

okay. i feel you are really listening to your users.

i think though there should be an indicator on each track in the playlist so you can see the midi channel assigned to each track and adjust it here too.

kurodo · Post by **kurodo** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:50 pm

Digging deeper into Nora2 within Ableton 9 and Lives midi output limitation effectively means there's no way to control more than one Arp at a time. (without resorting to multiple instances) Unless I've overlooked something.
It seems Ableton 9 isn't capable of separating Nora's individual outputs. Ableton has suffered this midi issue for years and no amount of complains or feedback has made the slightest difference to them.

Is it possible for Nora2 to send midi out to virtual ports such as midi yoke?
The pattern editor within Nora has the option to output midi channel but Ableton doesn't seem to respond to individual channels and lumps everything together so all Arps play just one vst but if Nora's would reveal virtual ports (midiyoke) from there it may be possible to then send each Arp to its own track and control everything from one instance of Nora using multiple vsti's each assigned its own midiyoke channel.

At the moment I create multiple instances of Nora and handle everything separately which kind of defeats the purpose of Nora's pattern mode . Not that I am complaining as Nora is light on cpu so multiple instances isn't a huge issue.
1 x Nora for Bass
1 x Nora for Chords
1 x Nora for Arp pattern1
1x Nora for Arp pattern 2
etc.

I notice Reaper can handle multi outs with ease and although I haven't tried I suspect Fl studio probably can too so an option for virtual midi for Ableton would be appreciated.

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:42 pm

+1 kurodo's request.

An option to send/receive via virtual MIDI will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

squaredheads · Post by **squaredheads** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:53 am

ezelkow1 wrote:I noticed some note oddities last night in bitwig. I had a 2 bar sequence of a chord going in to nora feeding a synth. It was going fine playing the sequence out of nora until I closed the gui. Then after a while it would start dropping notes and then only play a note or two out of the sequence. However once I re-opened the gui then nora would start acting normal again

When I get a chance Ill see if I can come up with a reliable way to reproduce it

If you achieve it, let me know to fix it asap

squaredheads · Post by **squaredheads** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:55 am

powermat wrote:What I'd like to do is chop up the MIDI that I've written over the years and basically remix/rescale/play with it in a speedier fashion than having to stop the music and adjust. I use PIZMIDI's plugin (don't remember the name right now) to keep the notes in the same range and I use scaling plugins to keep the notes in the same scale.

At the current version, I think Nora isn't the tool you need for that. I may make up with some nice words but I don't want to lie. Hey, but just at the current version

squaredheads · Post by **squaredheads** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:57 am

gigasquid wrote:What's in the pipeline and when? This is ground zero guys. I understand the two (?) of you can't do everything but please, no more add-ons and features for Nora until the housekeeping is done.

I don't speak Spanish but I know my way around a video editing studio. Can I help? What do you need to make video tuts happen?

You will be really welcome. Yes, you can help us if you understand how Nora work and you wish to work with us in tutorials. Drop me an email to juan [at] squaredheads [dot] com

squaredheads · Post by **squaredheads** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:01 am

kurodo wrote: For example:
Noras copy.
Ctrl-Alt-C
Where as Windows is usually quite happy with just a regular
Ctrl-C
Is there a specific reason why Nora has the additional operation?
I figure its to avoid the possibility of conflict? but if not it would certainly help to get rid of the alt especially Ctrl-alt-x as thats a cluster

There is a good reason for including that ALT modifier, and it's that the most host intercepts Ctrl+C/X/V and don't allow they reach Nora. However, in the same way we allowed changing the colours/etc we will do the same with keys and mouse shortcuts.

kurodo wrote:It also feels slightly unintuitive when copying a selected bunch of notes and pasting them.
While the notes are highlighted they are easy enough to move but copying them seems slightly harder than a regular copy and paste that other programs employ.

Keep up the good work

Did you tried to start moving them, and then, only once you started dragging, using the Ctrl key? The paste operation needs to know where it must paste the notes, that why we force to place them where the edit cursor is.

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