Are there realistic velocity curves, well suited to the type of keybed?Big Tick wrote:I can't comment on the price points, I'm not sure they're 100% decided yet.
I can talk all day about the software and HW though
When they say it doesn't work with FX plug-ins, it means that you the VIP browser/automapper only supports vst instruments. You can still assign some knobs to regular midi CC mode, in which case they don't control VIP, but instead, send midi CC to your DAW, and from there you can use them to control anything you want, including FX on an audio track.machinesworking wrote:Someone commented that this doesn't work on FX plug ins, is this true? Say you want to play an instrument track with the keyboard and control an FX plug in on an audio track? is this possible?
I don't use DP so I can't comment on that.As a user of Digital Performer I'm as usual concerned that VIP will not work properly with DP. DP separates out MIDI from instrument tracks which makes it dead easy to create multi instrument set ups, and works well with DP's Chunks set up, but it tends to be one of those things that developers decide to skip DP by with.
Absolutely. You can customize them globally for a given plugin, or even for a given preset.The obvious question as well, you can assign your own parameters to be controlled in VIP even if AKAI gives you a preset assignment right?
That's a workaround, and a major setback to my interest in this product.Big Tick wrote:When they say it doesn't work with FX plug-ins, it means that you the VIP browser/automapper only supports vst instruments. You can still assign some knobs to regular midi CC mode, in which case they don't control VIP, but instead, send midi CC to your DAW, and from there you can use them to control anything you want, including FX on an audio track.machinesworking wrote:Someone commented that this doesn't work on FX plug ins, is this true? Say you want to play an instrument track with the keyboard and control an FX plug in on an audio track? is this possible?
So as the developer of the code used in this product you didn't even attempt it in DP? or am I missing something here and you're not the code developer?I don't use DP so I can't comment on that.As a user of Digital Performer I'm as usual concerned that VIP will not work properly with DP. DP separates out MIDI from instrument tracks which makes it dead easy to create multi instrument set ups, and works well with DP's Chunks set up, but it tends to be one of those things that developers decide to skip DP by with.
OK well that's great but if AKAI are going to overlook FX plug ins and major DAWs like DP it's not convincing me of much.Absolutely. You can customize them globally for a given plugin, or even for a given preset.The obvious question as well, you can assign your own parameters to be controlled in VIP even if AKAI gives you a preset assignment right?
My thoughts exactly. I think Nektar did the first useful thing since Novation Automap, but of course the Nektar method is host specific so it wouldn't be much good in DP for example. I still think Novation got so close and then never went that last step (which is having parameter names and instant access to any page). Instead they made simpler keyboards with less controls and kept the software essentially the same! Actually the mkII had some decent additions like the quick control knob and light on the buttons, but screwed it up with moving to one display. That automap software though is now almost a decade old and nobody has improved the concept. It's crazy. This is not directed at the BigTick guy who I'm sure made great software, but obviously going to be limited by the hardware design choices.machinesworking wrote: I seriously cannot express how out of touch I feel developers are when it comes to these 'solutions' to the problem of plug in control. Do we really need another automatic mapping system so people can instantly have the cut off filter on their soft synth mapped?
I mean good luck with it, but we have plenty of almost there, not quite ready, not tested in anything but the major DAWs solutions out there right now.
The sad part about Novation is IMO it would have been some serious work to make both the host controlling and Automap functions work simultaneously, but they were really really close, then removed the second screen in their hardware thereby making it pointless to improve the situation.Echoes in the Attic wrote:I think Nektar did the first useful thing since Novation Automap, but of course the Nektar method is host specific so it wouldn't be much good in DP for example. I still think Novation got so close and then never went that last step (which is having parameter names and instant access to any page). Instead they made simpler keyboards with less controls and kept the software essentially the same! Actually the mkII had some decent additions like the quick control knob and light on the buttons, but screwed it up with moving to one display. That automap software though is now almost a decade old and nobody has improved the concept. It's crazy. This is not directed at the BigTick guy who I'm sure made great software, but obviously going to be limited by the hardware design choices.
You are missing something, first of all I am not *THE* code developer, as there are a lot of people involved in a product like this one. But more importantly, let's see, there about 10 major DAW's, in 32/64 bits, on Windows 7, Windows 8, and about 3 versions of OSX. Developers can't test every single feature on 100 different platforms ! That's why there is an army of testers who put the software through its paces, all day long.machinesworking wrote:So as the developer of the code used in this product you didn't even attempt it in DP? or am I missing something here and you're not the code developer?
Ah, my favorite controller !sempondr wrote:How is the keybed? Will we ever get controller with keys as good as old synths like DX7 ?
I find it a bit more springy that the DX7, a bit heavier too. Very comfortable to play, I like it better than the Max series for example. That's obviously a subjective topic, so you will have to try it out.
Out of interest: DX7, or DX7II/S?Big Tick wrote:Ah, my favorite controller !sempondr wrote:How is the keybed? Will we ever get controller with keys as good as old synths like DX7 ?
Cool. I sold my DX7S because FM7/8 is good enough but I do really miss the keyboard.Big Tick wrote:II/S, yes.
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