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dioxine · Post by **dioxine** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:15 am

Hello!
Anyone knows how to make alter note modulation as source in Serum?
For example on filter cutoff: first press of note - filter opened, second press of note - filter closed, third - opened again and so on.
u-he synths have this mod.source, it is named "Alternate", so i wonder if i can do same with Serum.

Greg Houston · Post by **Greg Houston** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:08 am

Serum doesn't have this feature, and I can't think of a workaround. It appears alternate even alternates between notes being played simultaneously, e.g., play two notes at the same time and one is normal and the other is the opposite. So it really is tied to note. You can make feature requests on the Xfer forum.

bitcrusher · Post by **bitcrusher** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:28 pm

I do plan an "Alternate" type of Mod source as it was requested in the forum (I was going to call it "Note Toggle" but I'm open to a vote).

Right now the "best workaround" would be to pencil your Velocity in a toggling fashion... but it shouldn't be too long (not in today's update however).

dioxine · Post by **dioxine** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:41 pm

Wow! That are good news! Thanks. I'll try that workaround anyway )

Greg Houston · Post by **Greg Houston** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:37 am

The new Serum beta is out. New features include typable values and concert tuning (A430-450). Along with the typable values you can now type in something like 16st in the Mod Matrix amount to perfectly line up LFO grid lines to semitones when modulating course pitch or master tune; a very welcome addition.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:31 am

Not trying for a moment to derail this Serum trail (perish the thought!) – but I did notice that Waldorf is going to launch its iOS Nave in a VST/AU/RTAS version (http://www.waldorf-music.info/nave-vst-au-rtas).

Nave (which I don't have any personal experience of at all) seems to share some basic traits with Serum (which I do own a license for).

Does anybody know how the two would compare? Straight competitors or occupying neighbouring boxes in the same stable?

/Joachim

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:10 pm

Spitfire31 wrote:Not trying for a moment to derail this Serum trail (perish the thought!) – but I did notice that Waldorf is going to launch its iOS Nave in a VST/AU/RTAS version (http://www.waldorf-music.info/nave-vst-au-rtas).

Nave (which I don't have any personal experience of at all) seems to share some basic traits with Serum (which I do own a license for).

Does anybody know how the two would compare? Straight competitors or occupying neighbouring boxes in the same stable?

/Joachim

First of all Nave for iOS was released in 2013 so it is not a "copy" of the several wavetable synths released in 2014 (including Serum).

Like e.g. Serum, PPG Wavemapper 2 and Codex it could import WAV files.

Some differences:
- The VA oscillator is a 3rd oscillator besides the two wavetable oscilators
- The VA oscillator offers the Überwave feature that could for example emulate a Roland like Supersaw quite nicely but also works with the other VA waveforms (addionally there is a global Unisoon for all oscillators)
- In the mixer you could add Ringmod of both wavetable OScs and/or a wavetable and the VA Osc
- Nave includes a Speech synth that cretes a new wavetable based on typed text
- The 3D display is not ther for just showing the wavetable but you could actually edit a wavetable inside a 3D display (when switched to the partials display) which AFAIK is not possible with any other wavetavble synth (it is possible that the editing features will be improved with the new plugin version)
- You got a big collection of Waldorf wavetables that are not included with-non-Waldorf synths like e.g. Serum
- wavetable scanning could be done either with the built-in Travel feature (in the Osc section) or using other modulations (envelope, LFO)
- with the "Spectrum" feature and the Brilliance + Noisy knobs (in both wavetable Oscs) you could change the harmonic content of an existing wavetable (parameters could be modulated)
- Nave has an Arpeggiator
- The new PC/Mac plugin version has a much lower CPU use than Serum, even with the Überwave and Unison used

- Nave so far does not include a MSEG
- you could not create wavetables from loading multiple single waveforms from WAV files
- you could not play samples like with the Noise Osc in Serum (but you could import a sample as a wavetable)
- Serum has a bigger amount of filter modes (while i like how those Waldorf filters sound...)

As the Nave iOS version was developed before Serum (and most of the other new wavetable synths) it is not intended to be a direct replacement but an own approach. It is intended to be a modern version of the Waldorf Wave synth which is from where the name comes (Nave = New Wave).

Last but not least it just sounds different, like most wavetable synth have a different basic sound IMO (there are even differences along the Waldorf softysnths IMO).

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:14 pm

Thank you very much, Ingo!

I've got an idea that my piggy bank is in for a raid in the springtime…;-)

/Joachim

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:30 pm

bitcrusher wrote:I do plan an "Alternate" type of Mod source as it was requested in the forum (I was going to call it "Note Toggle" but I'm open to a vote).

Another name in use is 'Flip-Flop', although 'Alternate' seems to be more common.

dwozzle · Post by **dwozzle** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:11 pm

Waldorf stuff still needs a hardware iLok dongle, yes? (Feels like I keep asking this, somethings I'm interested in, but that's a no-go for me.)

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:21 pm

dwozzle wrote:Waldorf stuff still needs a hardware iLok dongle, yes? (Feels like I keep asking this, somethings I'm interested in, but that's a no-go for me.)

No iLok.

Registration is via e-licenser (also a dongle, though) or soft e-licenser (no dongle).

I've never had any problems with e-licenser.

/Joachim

dwozzle · Post by **dwozzle** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:26 pm

Spitfire31 wrote:
dwozzle wrote:Waldorf stuff still needs a hardware iLok dongle, yes? (Feels like I keep asking this, somethings I'm interested in, but that's a no-go for me.)
No iLok.

Registration is via e-licenser (also a dongle, though) or soft e-licenser (no dongle).

I've never had any problems with e-licenser.

/Joachim

Thanks, didn't see anything definitive on their site. (I was looking at the Wave 3.V upgrade from 2, but it's still 32 bit and a little pricey.)

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:39 pm

dwozzle wrote: Thanks, didn't see anything definitive on their site. (I was looking at the Wave 3.V upgrade from 2, but it's still 32 bit and a little pricey.)

All Waldorf plugins are 64-bit since some months now and with the latest updates PPG Wave 3.V is also available as VST3 and AAX (both 32-bit and 64-bit).

UPDATE:
Sent a PM.

Greg Houston · Post by **Greg Houston** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:43 pm

Also never had any issue with my e-licenser dongle; forget I even have it. Can't vouch for the software version though which I didn't know existed. I uninstalled the software version of iLok and just stopped using my two plugins that require it because the PACE nonsense was always causing problems. Maybe the actual dongle would be different? Don't know and not going to invest to find out.

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